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Telegram raises $210M through bond sales

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Re: Telegram raises $210M through bond sales

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Post by kaba0 »

p-e-w wrote: post #36
qlkjwenf wrote: post #21

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Yeah, and tax authorities who refuse to communicate by using anything else but paper documents sent as letters... Glad I will leave Germany soon.

It took me a long time to realize that in the big picture, all those inefficiencies are actually upsides. Most of what governments do is harmful to society. The more inefficient and inept they are at it, the better. Sure, it may be an inconvenience sometimes. But it's nothing compared to the dystopian horror of what a truly efficient government would look like. The "ideal" government that works purely electronically…

Yeah, please instead let that ultra-capitalist liberalist worldview bloom! I so want Coca Cola putting cocaine into my drinks, or some “food” company optimizing for quantity over basic health codes, or drug companies selling non-working fakes with questionable qualities!

Governments, and their rules are one of the quintessential parts of our modern lives. Noone sane wants to live in the aforementioned utopia.

Re: Telegram raises $210M through bond sales

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Post by stereoradonc »

sethherr wrote: post #5
Thoeu388 wrote: post #4

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Telegram is one social network that has a huge potential for growth today. It is a dominant platform for War reporting from both sides. And it is not compromised by history of censorship, and CIA connections, like other social networks. We will probably see it growing in US, as we get closer to elections, and censorship tightens!

It is compromised by Russian connections though

Any proof?

Re: Telegram raises $210M through bond sales

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Post by kaba0 »

the_gipsy wrote: post #52
000ooo000 wrote: post #16

Telegram is probably the only app that I use that I'm completely fine with it automatically updating. Hard to find software that doesn't fk it up by adding stupid or user-hostile "features"/bloat. Telegram has been solid across the web, android, linux and windows clients I've been using for years. For that reason, I bought telegram premium. Shame to hear they're still not breaking even, must be tough. E: downvoted fo…

> stupid or user-hostile "features"/bloat Pushing cryptoscams and paywalling a subset of emoji-reactions made me move off of telegram. Now I use matrix and as a nice side effect I have whatsapp and telegram bridged in one app. Of course, it's all open source with the typical lack of polishing. But nobody is gonna pull the rug under me because the company needs $$$ after acquiring users.

So who will end up paying for the server costs?

I don’t have a problem with their monetary model, because they don’t paywall any essential feature. and not in-your-face about it, and it really is one of the few apps I use on every single device I own.

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Post by thewinnie »

DANmode wrote: post #27
sethherr wrote: post #5

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It is compromised by Russian connections though

...didn't the founder get ousted out of VK (which he also founded) for not playing ball with Russian intelligence? Or did I get that wrong?

Mostly it was a spectacle for outsiders. Otherwise how its possible to explain that Durov continue to doing business and operate in Russia after?

IMHO - it would not be possible for him to leave russia alive without getting some tradeoff with Russian intelligence

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Post by kaba0 »

darthrupert wrote: post #60
jamil7 wrote: post #49

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I also use both extensively and I agree, Telegram has the best UX of any messaging app. The desktop app is QT I think so it feels very snappy compared to Signal's electron app. Signal's iOS app is a native Swift/UIKit app and open source however, so I'd encourage you to report any bugs or issues you find: https://github.com/signalapp/Signal-iOS

It is a very good client indeed, and Signal is not really catching up. Perhaps Matrix's upcoming Element X -client could reach that level of quality.

Thanks for mentioning Element X. I do like the Matrix protocol, but their former ios app was very buggy.

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Post by kaba0 »

BozeWolf wrote: post #51
sintezcs wrote: post #47

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Move from Telegram to Signal? But why?

The parent probably points to security. Telegram is insecure, this has been discussed many times before. (Rolled their own encryption, a master key, unencrypted group chats) Thing is that telegram is a completely different app. It has features for discovering and joining communities. Open or closed. Bots, etcetera. Both Signal and Whatsapp do not have that. It is more like a social network. That said: it is insecure.…

Rolling their own crypto is only an advice for your average developer, not for a team of mathematics, who put out a bounty for anyone who can break it.

If I were a journalist, I wouldn’t use it for the leak of a lifetime. But for the common folks it is absolutely more than fine.

Re: Telegram raises $210M through bond sales

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Post by Arathorn »

kaba0 wrote: post #65
darthrupert wrote: post #60

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It is a very good client indeed, and Signal is not really catching up. Perhaps Matrix's upcoming Element X -client could reach that level of quality.

Thanks for mentioning Element X. I do like the Matrix protocol, but their former ios app was very buggy.

Element X is already out on iOS (as an early release which isn't feature complete yet): https://element.io/blog/element-x-experience-the-future-of-e.... We explicitly used Telegram as the UX yardstick to be at least as good at in terms of quality and performance (sync speed, smoothness of scrolling, proper native UI, etc)... while also being E2EE throughout (unlike Telegram).

Agreed that the classic Element iOS app was very buggy, which is why with Element X we completely rewrote it on top of matrix-rust-sdk, using SwiftUI for best-practice idiomatic native UI on top.

Re: Telegram raises $210M through bond sales

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Post by dgellow »

the_gipsy wrote: post #52
000ooo000 wrote: post #16

Telegram is probably the only app that I use that I'm completely fine with it automatically updating. Hard to find software that doesn't fk it up by adding stupid or user-hostile "features"/bloat. Telegram has been solid across the web, android, linux and windows clients I've been using for years. For that reason, I bought telegram premium. Shame to hear they're still not breaking even, must be tough. E: downvoted fo…

> stupid or user-hostile "features"/bloat Pushing cryptoscams and paywalling a subset of emoji-reactions made me move off of telegram. Now I use matrix and as a nice side effect I have whatsapp and telegram bridged in one app. Of course, it's all open source with the typical lack of polishing. But nobody is gonna pull the rug under me because the company needs $$$ after acquiring users.

I have no idea what you’re talking about. Telegram has been the most polished cross platform chat application since its release. All emoji are available without paying? There is no cryptocurrency involved? The whole application is free, and you can get some small benefits by paying a small amount, that’s the least predatory business model one could hope for.

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Post by kaba0 »

Arathorn wrote: post #67
kaba0 wrote: post #65

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Thanks for mentioning Element X. I do like the Matrix protocol, but their former ios app was very buggy.

Element X is already out on iOS (as an early release which isn't feature complete yet): https://element.io/blog/element-x-experience-the-future-of-e... . We explicitly used Telegram as the UX yardstick to be at least as good at in terms of quality and performance (sync speed, smoothness of scrolling, proper native UI, etc)... while also being E2EE throughout (unlike Telegram). Agreed that the classic Element iOS app…

Thank you, I have already downloaded it! So far it looks like you have absolutely managed to hit that yardstick!
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