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Microsoft faces antitrust scrutiny from the EU over Teams, Office 365

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Re: Microsoft faces antitrust scrutiny from the EU over Teams, Office 365

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Post by elric »

skrause wrote: post #28

My employer is a prime example for this case: We use Microsoft 365 because we need Microsoft Office and use their email hosting. And then we use Teams simply because it's already included in the package anyway, even though many employees hate it, but it's hard to argue for another solution because why pay for Slack when we already have Teams "for free"? And since Teams doesn't really need to compete on functionality…

It's particularly galling how Outlook invites *by default* include a Teams link. You can disable this on a per invite basis or in your settings, but it's pretty icky behaviour.

Re: Microsoft faces antitrust scrutiny from the EU over Teams, Office 365

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Post by scarface_74 »

FirmwareBurner wrote: post #19
tonyedgecombe wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Apple is the worst of the bunch imo. Not if you look at their respective market share.

Apple owns the majority mobile US market share. It's basically a monopoly.

65% is not a monopoly. In fact, we have a real judge that dismissed that argument in the Epic vs Apple case

Re: Microsoft faces antitrust scrutiny from the EU over Teams, Office 365

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Post by scarface_74 »

kwanbix wrote: post #32
Hamuko wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What if they didn't bundle anything? I installed Windows 11 this week and had to uninstall Teams, Spotify and others. Why are these even being bundled with the OS?

So Apple and Google can bundle the sh*t out of iOS and Android, which together have 99% of the cellphone market, but MS is expected to not do it?

Yes they should both ship their phones with just a terminal and force everyone to ftp all of the applications they need.

Re: Microsoft faces antitrust scrutiny from the EU over Teams, Office 365

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Post by lrem »

elric wrote: post #61
skrause wrote: post #28

My employer is a prime example for this case: We use Microsoft 365 because we need Microsoft Office and use their email hosting. And then we use Teams simply because it's already included in the package anyway, even though many employees hate it, but it's hard to argue for another solution because why pay for Slack when we already have Teams "for free"? And since Teams doesn't really need to compete on functionality…

It's particularly galling how Outlook invites *by default* include a Teams link. You can disable this on a per invite basis or in your settings, but it's pretty icky behaviour.

That's not quite unique, is it?

Re: Microsoft faces antitrust scrutiny from the EU over Teams, Office 365

#65

Post by lrem »

theonlybutlet wrote: post #34

I can't understand how Apple keeps getting away scot-free, considering this type of scrutiny exists and how their services work.

Apple? You mean the company with mobile market share below Windows Phone, until Microsoft lost interest in that? ;)

Re: Microsoft faces antitrust scrutiny from the EU over Teams, Office 365

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Post by pgeorgi »

esarbe wrote: post #21

Nice. Now can we please add Google, Amazon, Apple, Meta to that list? And while we're on it, how about breaking up all the oligopolies that sprouted up over the last 40 years or so? It's high times.

All these companies have several EU antitrust proceedings against them at various stages of completion.

(And just to preempt any jingoism: EU-based companies also get their share, just not in tech because tech-in-EU is a joke)

Re: Microsoft faces antitrust scrutiny from the EU over Teams, Office 365

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Post by leokennis »

Shrezzing wrote: post #57
_cenw wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Saw the same pattern with 3 employers over the past 5 years. One killed Slack and all institutional knowledge in its search engine within a month. One replaced all remaining Intel Macs (not an insignificant amount) because Teams would being them to a standstill. The last one is currently happening and I'm wondering what unexpected cost will come to haunt this decision this time. Though one thing that always suffers i…

I think Slack really dropped the ball in 2020, and that's ultimately why the inferior Teams and Zoom platforms have been able to solidify their market shares, and Discord was able to bastardise some of Slack's old market share. It took Slack nearly 2 years after the pandemic started to introduce features like Huddles - by which point, everyone who needed video conferencing software (which was basically every white-co…

Also, Teams integrates with the other MS stuff. If I share files in a channel, in the background it is "just" a SharePoint which in turn I can add to my OneDrive. Meaning I can save a file in Word to that SharePoint and everyone in the channel can access it.

Re: Microsoft faces antitrust scrutiny from the EU over Teams, Office 365

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Post by kevingadd »

Rarebox wrote: post #42
Dalewyn wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Chrome when it released was faster than Firefox, but it wasn't "better". It ate far more RAM than either Firefox or IE did (and still does), back when RAM capacities were still practically limited, and Chrome was (and is) rendering the internet in Chrome ways much like IE did in Trident ways and Firefox has in Gecko ways. Chrome also had and still has its own UI paradigms, including no title bar, menu bar, nor status…

Back then I remember switching to Chrome for these reasons: 1. Feeling faster than firefox (still does) 2. Process separation for tabs. Firefox used to crash the whole browser, whereas chrome would crash just a single tab. 3. Shipped with support for Flash and PDFs

It's funny how massive the impact of "bundle a bunch of proprietary stuff into our open browser" was on the browser wars. Between H264, MP3, Flash and PDF, Firefox never had a chance.

Re: Microsoft faces antitrust scrutiny from the EU over Teams, Office 365

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Post by [deleted] »

Shrezzing wrote: post #57
_cenw wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Saw the same pattern with 3 employers over the past 5 years. One killed Slack and all institutional knowledge in its search engine within a month. One replaced all remaining Intel Macs (not an insignificant amount) because Teams would being them to a standstill. The last one is currently happening and I'm wondering what unexpected cost will come to haunt this decision this time. Though one thing that always suffers i…

I think Slack really dropped the ball in 2020, and that's ultimately why the inferior Teams and Zoom platforms have been able to solidify their market shares, and Discord was able to bastardise some of Slack's old market share. It took Slack nearly 2 years after the pandemic started to introduce features like Huddles - by which point, everyone who needed video conferencing software (which was basically every white-co…

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Re: Microsoft faces antitrust scrutiny from the EU over Teams, Office 365

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Post by manuelabeledo »

Good.

I’m still salty because no one cared enough about Outlook getting bundled in Office back in the day.

If it wasn’t enough with all the proprietary stuff that only works between Outlook clients, it now defaults to adding Teams links to any call scheduled through its calendar.

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