http://websdr1.sdrutah.org:8901/index1a.html might be able to pick up the transmission.
Enigma Crypto Transmission from KPH at 426 KHz and Shortwave
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Re: Enigma Crypto Transmission from KPH at 426 KHz and Shortwave
#12Super cool, like a defcon cipher puzzle over the air.. except they give you the cipher? And the code book? What am I missing, where's the challenge ?
Their license may prohibit encrypted transmissions. If you publicize the key, it’s just an encoding.
Whaaa, I wasn't aware licenses restrict encrypted comms? Does that mean packet radios that transport TLS may require special license?
Re: Enigma Crypto Transmission from KPH at 426 KHz and Shortwave
#13Earlier quoted context omitted.
Their license may prohibit encrypted transmissions. If you publicize the key, it’s just an encoding.
Whaaa, I wasn't aware licenses restrict encrypted comms? Does that mean packet radios that transport TLS may require special license?
Yes, you cannot use your ham/amateur radio license for that.
Amateur radio is supposed to be firmly in the realm of community building to improve the appreciation of the radio spectrum, and to encourage amateurs to explore, experiment, and innovate in the field.
Using it simply as a "service" (ie, as a private data link to carry TLS when you're trying to browse without using starbucks wifi) isn't supporting these goals, and can be used to obscure misuse (for example commercial use) of the band when they should be applying for a commercial license.
Re: Enigma Crypto Transmission from KPH at 426 KHz and Shortwave
#14Earlier quoted context omitted.
Whaaa, I wasn't aware licenses restrict encrypted comms? Does that mean packet radios that transport TLS may require special license?
Yes, you cannot use your ham/amateur radio license for that. Amateur radio is supposed to be firmly in the realm of community building to improve the appreciation of the radio spectrum, and to encourage amateurs to explore, experiment, and innovate in the field. Using it simply as a "service" (ie, as a private data link to carry TLS when you're trying to browse without using starbucks wifi) isn't supporting these goa…
It’s oddly liberating in a way. Once you get over the initial revulsion of no TLS, to reuse the example, you can build simple protocols that just use a callsign for authentication (that’s just a convenience for the operator too, who must station ID every 10 minutes). It makes it easier to experiment without thinking about security at all, because the assumption hams have is that all conversations are public.
Re: Enigma Crypto Transmission from KPH at 426 KHz and Shortwave
#15Earlier quoted context omitted.
Whaaa, I wasn't aware licenses restrict encrypted comms? Does that mean packet radios that transport TLS may require special license?
Yes, you cannot use your ham/amateur radio license for that. Amateur radio is supposed to be firmly in the realm of community building to improve the appreciation of the radio spectrum, and to encourage amateurs to explore, experiment, and innovate in the field. Using it simply as a "service" (ie, as a private data link to carry TLS when you're trying to browse without using starbucks wifi) isn't supporting these goa…
As an encryption cheerleader, this discussion (and the earlier one about efforts to allow DRM for OTA TV*) helps me not lose my way. That is to say, I need to remember that the public good is always the goal and not the tools that achieve that.
Re: Enigma Crypto Transmission from KPH at 426 KHz and Shortwave
#16Super cool, like a defcon cipher puzzle over the air.. except they give you the cipher? And the code book? What am I missing, where's the challenge ?
Their license may prohibit encrypted transmissions. If you publicize the key, it’s just an encoding.
KPH is licensed as a commercial coastal radiotelegraph station. (It may be the last one in the US; it is operated by volunteers in the Pt. Reyes National Seashore, part of the US National Park Service.) Encrypted communications are just fine.
Re: Enigma Crypto Transmission from KPH at 426 KHz and Shortwave
#17Earlier quoted context omitted.
Their license may prohibit encrypted transmissions. If you publicize the key, it’s just an encoding.
Certainly true for K6KPH on amateur radio frequencies. I wonder if the same is true for commercial circuits on KPH and KFS? Your comment on licensing got me wondering... I wonder what license the operators for KPH and KFS have these days? I guess there is some kind of general commercial radio operator's license now. Long ago, I started studying for a commercial radiotelegraph operator's license, just for the novelty.…
You need the General Radiotelephone Operator License (https://www.fcc.gov/wireless/bureau-divisions/mobility-divis...). Yes, they are still issued. 20 WPM plain language code test, 16 wpm code group test, plus written exams.
Re: Enigma Crypto Transmission from KPH at 426 KHz and Shortwave
#18Headline made me think it was some new crypto-bro "invention" involving shortwave radio. Sorry for the word "crypto" that its meaning has been corrupted...
There is Engima crypto coin too. And crypto people have tried to use ham radio, mainly broadcast which aren't allowed.
Re: Enigma Crypto Transmission from KPH at 426 KHz and Shortwave
#19Super cool, like a defcon cipher puzzle over the air.. except they give you the cipher? And the code book? What am I missing, where's the challenge ?
Their license may prohibit encrypted transmissions. If you publicize the key, it’s just an encoding.
Also, amateur radio does not allow broadcasts.
It sounds like it isn't.
Re: Enigma Crypto Transmission from KPH at 426 KHz and Shortwave
#20Earlier quoted context omitted.
Whaaa, I wasn't aware licenses restrict encrypted comms? Does that mean packet radios that transport TLS may require special license?
Yes, you cannot use your ham/amateur radio license for that. Amateur radio is supposed to be firmly in the realm of community building to improve the appreciation of the radio spectrum, and to encourage amateurs to explore, experiment, and innovate in the field. Using it simply as a "service" (ie, as a private data link to carry TLS when you're trying to browse without using starbucks wifi) isn't supporting these goa…
Also, amateur radio prohibits using radio for services that could be provided by others. Providing internet access for others is probably not allowed even if it wasn't encrypted. Internet access for amateur use is allowed.