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Re: ASUS to manufacture and sell Intel’s NUC products

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I would remove the word "inexpensive". Many alternatives cost less. I know people buy Intel for brand, quality and warranty but definitely not price.

What would be some of the alternatives? I don't even need a gpu. It will be a home server.

Turing pi 2

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Been using an Asus PN51[1] with KDE Neon for about a year, and overall I'm very happy with it. Performance is good, never had a crash, stuff just worked out of the box without fuzz. Seems like a decent fit to me. [1]: https://www.asus.com/us/displays-desktops/mini-pcs/pn-series...

Did PN51 come with networking supported by default? When I got my PN50 some time ago, it couldn't connect to either wireless or wired networks and there was no indication which manufacturer's driver was required without some disassembly. I also loved how they shipped a CD with a computer that has no means of reading it with included drivers, so that was completely unhelpful.

Why is installing drivers still a thing in 202x in non-Macs?

Re: ASUS to manufacture and sell Intel’s NUC products

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I would remove the word "inexpensive". Many alternatives cost less. I know people buy Intel for brand, quality and warranty but definitely not price.

What would be some of the alternatives? I don't even need a gpu. It will be a home server.

for who accept used PCs: https://www.servethehome.com/tag/tinyminimicro/

for who accept Chinese brands (and suspicious Windows license): Beelink, Minisforum, etc

the rest: ECS Liva or ASRock DeskMini?

Re: ASUS to manufacture and sell Intel’s NUC products

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I have been using a NUC as an HTPC for several years now and it's great, though the comments in the previous conversation about them ending the line were right about the noise. I'm in the market for a similar device to replace my dangerously past EOL desktop, and funny enough I have been circling around Asus' SFF line.

Lenovo has the thinkcentre line Dell has the optiplex Go has the elitedesk and pro desk All in mini/usff formfactor similar to the size of a Mac mini.

Yes this. The tiny PCs tend to have mobile CPUs in them as well which can feel a little sluggish. You can get a decent small desktop for the same money. I have a Lenovo Neo 50s as my main computer with a 12400, 32Gb of RAM and 1TB SN850X SSD in it. Very nice, quiet and reliable machine.

Re: ASUS to manufacture and sell Intel’s NUC products

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I had an htpc for over a decade in various forms. I finally just settled on the Nvidia shield reading over NFS. It's so much better than the htpc I don't regret it for a minute.

After owning and using the same shield since 2016 I was advising to get it if anyone asked for a streaming and local playback of media. But now days I think Apple TV beats it easily as a streaming device. If Apple moved to an M chip and added audio passthrough it would be no contest. I would not advise people to get Shield if they want to get a device for the next 5-6 years unless it has a hardware refresh.

It does 4k HDR and ATMOS. What does it lack?

Re: ASUS to manufacture and sell Intel’s NUC products

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What I find most interesting is not the use case of a standalone, small, cheap desktop computer: it's what this enables other industries to achieve.

See for example, what Korg is doing in the electronic music industry with a Raspberry-based platform: the OpSix, Modwave and Wavestate are a whole new line of affordable desktop synthesizers with powerful capabilities. Couple that with something like Roland Cloud and you could end up with a cloud-aware synth that could automatically download new sounds and features on demand, all under a subscription model without the need of a tethered PC because the device is a PC.

Re: ASUS to manufacture and sell Intel’s NUC products

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Anyone using a NUC as a mini home server? How is it? or if you use something else as mini server what? and why? I keep thinking of getting something which I can run multiple vms as needed for things like game servers, hosting docker containers, etc. load it up with a bunch of memory. I don't want anything too big/power hungry given most of the time it would likely sit idle.

I have 4 older NUC8i5BEH with 64gb ram in a vpshere8 cluster. It makes a nice little lab, and it has been stable for years.

Re: ASUS to manufacture and sell Intel’s NUC products

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I personally used an old NUC6i5 with 16GB Ram and 1TB SSD as my private "HomeServer" / "Media-PC" / "RemoteMachine" for a long time, mainly bought because it was (and still is) 5.9W idle power consumption while reasonable performance (way more than a raspberry PI at the time). I also spent the money on an Akasa Passive case[1], which made the device very expensive in total, but it was worth it at the time. It's still…

Old (but not too old) Fujitsu mainboards are a great hack to build a computer with low power draw, especially in idle mode. They support relatively recent Intel sockets and 4 SATA ports out of the box, so really ideal for small-ish and very affordable file- and media servers. I‘ve seen in a German forum [1] specialized in this kind of thing that people reproducibly get 5-8W idle with such boards.

At least in the EU, you can get used Fujitsu towers with those power saving boards for cheap. Just take care that you pick one with the higher efficiency power supply (IIRC, that’s the E90+).

Hidden in that forum thread [1] are posts from members who bought a specialized board (€250 last time I looked) that takes idle consumption down to 2W. Can’t remember the name of the manufacturer so I can’t link to it, but if someone were interested, it‘s mentioned throughout the thread.

1: https://www.hardwareluxx.de/community/threads/die-sparsamste... - someone claims they reached 4W idle with this Fujitsu board

Re: ASUS to manufacture and sell Intel’s NUC products

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I personally used an old NUC6i5 with 16GB Ram and 1TB SSD as my private "HomeServer" / "Media-PC" / "RemoteMachine" for a long time, mainly bought because it was (and still is) 5.9W idle power consumption while reasonable performance (way more than a raspberry PI at the time). I also spent the money on an Akasa Passive case[1], which made the device very expensive in total, but it was worth it at the time. It's still…

I have used the NUCs to integrate controllers into small robotic platforms and custom lab equipment. They are a good 'it just works' platform that you can scale performance v cost over time as needs vary (need image processing? drop in a core i7. just motion control? save money and go with an i3 or atom). Also they are more reliable and performant than RPi, and relative to the cost of the motion control systems, the NUC is a rounding error.

Notably the NUC has a standardized base plate mount that requires only two screws, and it has nice rubberized stand offs that isolate vibration. So, mechanical integration is super easy, and swapping out a NUC in the field is also very fast. In some cases it is easier to do a firmware upgrade by switching out the whole NUC than trying to walk a lab tech through punching a hole in the corporate firewall, or running an ethernet cord through the production floor, etc etc.

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