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Telegram raises $210M through bond sales

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Re: Telegram raises $210M through bond sales

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Post by BozeWolf »

sintezcs wrote: post #47
darthrupert wrote: post #38

People should seriously move to Signal.

Move from Telegram to Signal? But why?

The parent probably points to security. Telegram is insecure, this has been discussed many times before. (Rolled their own encryption, a master key, unencrypted group chats)

Thing is that telegram is a completely different app. It has features for discovering and joining communities. Open or closed. Bots, etcetera. Both Signal and Whatsapp do not have that. It is more like a social network.

That said: it is insecure. Especially in war times that does not sound good. If you do not trust signal or whatsapp, there are other secure communication methods. But seriously: telegram is the worst.

Re: Telegram raises $210M through bond sales

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Post by the_gipsy »

000ooo000 wrote: post #16

Telegram is probably the only app that I use that I'm completely fine with it automatically updating. Hard to find software that doesn't fk it up by adding stupid or user-hostile "features"/bloat. Telegram has been solid across the web, android, linux and windows clients I've been using for years. For that reason, I bought telegram premium. Shame to hear they're still not breaking even, must be tough. E: downvoted fo…

> stupid or user-hostile "features"/bloat

Pushing cryptoscams and paywalling a subset of emoji-reactions made me move off of telegram. Now I use matrix and as a nice side effect I have whatsapp and telegram bridged in one app.

Of course, it's all open source with the typical lack of polishing. But nobody is gonna pull the rug under me because the company needs $$$ after acquiring users.

Re: Telegram raises $210M through bond sales

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Post by theyknowitsxmas »

BozeWolf wrote: post #51
sintezcs wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Move from Telegram to Signal? But why?

The parent probably points to security. Telegram is insecure, this has been discussed many times before. (Rolled their own encryption, a master key, unencrypted group chats) Thing is that telegram is a completely different app. It has features for discovering and joining communities. Open or closed. Bots, etcetera. Both Signal and Whatsapp do not have that. It is more like a social network. That said: it is insecure.…

One of the OG devs doesn't trust it. https://medium.com/@anton.rozenberg/pavel-durov-sued-senior-...

Re: Telegram raises $210M through bond sales

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Post by Thoeu388 »

slmlm wrote: post #28

Last time I was in Dubai, Telegram was blocked and I needed to setup a proxy to get access. So it is ironic that they are headquartered there. Maybe it is not blocked there now, I do not know.

UAE blocks most voice over IP apps. Something related to telecom monopoly.

Re: Telegram raises $210M through bond sales

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Post by chii »

chologrande wrote: post #6
Thoeu388 wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Telegram is one social network that has a huge potential for growth today. It is a dominant platform for War reporting from both sides. And it is not compromised by history of censorship, and CIA connections, like other social networks. We will probably see it growing in US, as we get closer to elections, and censorship tightens!

Sure - but where's the revenue come from?

the revenue comes from the future acquirer of the company paying out to the current shareholders. I don't really believe consumers of telegram are willing to pay for it. It's in the same boat financially as twitter - but got better PR atm.

Re: Telegram raises $210M through bond sales

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Post by kemotep »

Thoeu388 wrote: post #7
sethherr wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is compromised by Russian connections though

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If you are tired of “various Russia Gates affairs” then being happy with a company having ties to the Russian government seems counterproductive.

Re: Telegram raises $210M through bond sales

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Post by darthrupert »

coolspot wrote: post #50
mojuba wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

From my experience of constantly using both, Signal's UX is inferior unfortunately. On both macOS and iOS Signal feels like a second grade cross-platform app with a clunky Android feel (no ribbon effect, no animations, poor aesthetics). Telegram's UX quality is far superior to any other messenger app that I've ever used. Its social functions are quite nice too, I think Telegram invented some of them before they were…

WhatsApp, Signal, Google Talk and others are also not banned/censored in Russia.

Which makes Telegram extremely suspicious, frankly.

Re: Telegram raises $210M through bond sales

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Post by mojuba »

coolspot wrote: post #50
mojuba wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

From my experience of constantly using both, Signal's UX is inferior unfortunately. On both macOS and iOS Signal feels like a second grade cross-platform app with a clunky Android feel (no ribbon effect, no animations, poor aesthetics). Telegram's UX quality is far superior to any other messenger app that I've ever used. Its social functions are quite nice too, I think Telegram invented some of them before they were…

WhatsApp, Signal, Google Talk and others are also not banned/censored in Russia.

Telegram was banned in Russia before it was restored in 2020. Wikipedia says Telegram agreed to cooperate with the Russian govt "help with extremism investigations"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blocking_of_Telegram_in_Russia

Re: Telegram raises $210M through bond sales

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Post by darthrupert »

jamil7 wrote: post #49
mojuba wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

From my experience of constantly using both, Signal's UX is inferior unfortunately. On both macOS and iOS Signal feels like a second grade cross-platform app with a clunky Android feel (no ribbon effect, no animations, poor aesthetics). Telegram's UX quality is far superior to any other messenger app that I've ever used. Its social functions are quite nice too, I think Telegram invented some of them before they were…

I also use both extensively and I agree, Telegram has the best UX of any messaging app. The desktop app is QT I think so it feels very snappy compared to Signal's electron app. Signal's iOS app is a native Swift/UIKit app and open source however, so I'd encourage you to report any bugs or issues you find: https://github.com/signalapp/Signal-iOS

It is a very good client indeed, and Signal is not really catching up.

Perhaps Matrix's upcoming Element X -client could reach that level of quality.

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