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Framework Laptop 16 pre-orders are now open

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Re: Framework Laptop 16 pre-orders are now open

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Apparently the first batch is sold out already, so yes, it's definitely going quickly

This is both the most server load we've ever seen and the fastest order throughput we've seen. It is genuinely difficult to gauge ahead of time.

Good call to offer a pre order, that should make it easy to deliver them

Re: Framework Laptop 16 pre-orders are now open

#82
post #74

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No compare it to the MBA 15 w 512GB SSD and 16GB RAM upgrades and the 70W charger from their educational store + $150 gift card offer. $1575 inc Cali tax

The M2 can't match the 7840HS in CPU performance though[1]. It's half as fast in multi-core benchmarks and a bit slower in single-core. [1]: https://www.notebookcheck.net/M2-vs-R7-7840HS_14521_14948.24...

Yes but the AMD design draws double the power even though it was fabbed on a lower process node. I mean it defeats the purpose of a portable. Now you need double the battery weight or lose half the runtime. No, the M2 still wins. If processing is the goal at the expense of portability then you can buy a nice 64 core EPYC system for $1700

Re: Framework Laptop 16 pre-orders are now open

#83
post #66

Someone knows why they jump from Framework Laptop 13 to 16? And how this product naming will evolve?

The number reflects the screen size (rounded down). Framework Laptop 13 is 13.5". Framework Laptop 16 is 16". Both product lines are continuing in parallel.

Thank you

Re: Framework Laptop 16 pre-orders are now open

#84
post #74

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The M2 can't match the 7840HS in CPU performance though[1]. It's half as fast in multi-core benchmarks and a bit slower in single-core. [1]: https://www.notebookcheck.net/M2-vs-R7-7840HS_14521_14948.24...

Yes but the AMD design draws double the power even though it was fabbed on a lower process node. I mean it defeats the purpose of a portable. Now you need double the battery weight or lose half the runtime. No, the M2 still wins. If processing is the goal at the expense of portability then you can buy a nice 64 core EPYC system for $1700

The battery life is still fine. Plugging in once in a while isn't a huge deal. I'd rather save time compiling than not having to plug in once every 8 hours.

Re: Framework Laptop 16 pre-orders are now open

#85
post #17

Maybe someone from framework or knowledge of this area can explain this, but I'm a bit baffled by the price difference between the prebuilt and DIY editions. LinusTechTips recently did a tour of one of the assembly stations in Taiwan. The DIY editions are fully assembled, tested, then disassembled, and put into packages. Considering that DIY has an additional labour intensive step, how come they're so much cheaper? S…

I configured a DIY edition with essentially the same specs as the pre-built version. The price differential was pretty close to the cost of the windows licence (which I don't need).

Re: Framework Laptop 16 pre-orders are now open

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How are the trackpads on these? The trackpad on the MacBook is probably one of the main reasons I can’t go back to another laptop.

I have a M1 Macbook Air and a Framework 13, and the trackpad is objectively worse on the Framework. A little mushy, a little inconsistent in the click pressure needed across the surface, palm rejection is still an unsolved problem it seems, and I haven't found a Linux DE that can do three-finger drag and other gestures as naturally as the Macbook has been doing it for over a decade. :/ I hardly ever use the thing now because it's slower and hotter than the Air, blasting fans with a single Twitch stream running in the background, and about the same price too.

Re: Framework Laptop 16 pre-orders are now open

#87
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Honestly, it was much cheaper than I had assumed it would be. A pre-built "performance" version starts at $1,699 (Ryzen 7 7840HS) with 16GB RAM and 512GB SSD. Compare that to the entry 16 inch MacBook Pro at $2499. The "overkill" system with a Ryzen 9 7940HS, 32GB RAM and 1TB SSD is $2099. A pseudo comparison to the 16 inch MacBook Pro with M2 Pro, 32GB RAM and a 1TB SSD is $3099. Also these systems are cheaper if do…

Not being snarky or anything, but do you have easy access to broadband internet where you are, or do you live in a locale that prohibits VPN? It turned out more effective for me to buy a Chromebook and build a remote workstation to do actual work from, with the added benefit that I don't care if my Chromebook is lost or stolen because it doesn't store any data and costs less than a screen replacement ( I also wasn't…

That’s a great idea. Thanks, I’ll seriously consider it. I’m skeptical of the network usage though. I might need to use cellular with this approach, does this result in high usage?

Re: Framework Laptop 16 pre-orders are now open

#88

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What's the comparison look like with 2TB of storage? And maybe a bit more RAM (I don't think MBAs let you upgrade after purchase so buying a 512GB machine seems shortsighted for a lot of use cases unless all your development is in the cloud)

The storage and memory upgrades are expensive and also have a penalty in terms of power. Memory draws the same current regardless of if it’s being used and that is significant. Unified memory is also very different, has much higher bandwidth than RAM and lower latency. You can’t compare unified memory with RAM. As far as the SSD, the base option comes with one 256GB NAND flash IC, where if you upgrade to 512GB they h…

Do you work for apple?

Re: Framework Laptop 16 pre-orders are now open

#89

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Why compare it to a smaller computer with no expandability with pricing that is unavailable to a huge majority of consumers?

Apple doesn’t verify that purchases from the educational store are from students it’s honor system. Those prices are available to everyone, in small quantities. Sit the 15 inch MBA next to the 16 inch MBP and the screens look identical. Performance wise the M2 w unified memory crushes X86 systems across the benchmarks at half the power budget.

Ah yes, let me tell HR about this neat trick.

Re: Framework Laptop 16 pre-orders are now open

#90
post #17

Maybe someone from framework or knowledge of this area can explain this, but I'm a bit baffled by the price difference between the prebuilt and DIY editions. LinusTechTips recently did a tour of one of the assembly stations in Taiwan. The DIY editions are fully assembled, tested, then disassembled, and put into packages. Considering that DIY has an additional labour intensive step, how come they're so much cheaper? S…

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