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Re: Reddit vs Hacker News vs Twitter

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Post by KevMorton » Wed, Mar 07, 2012, 8:22 PM UTC

willvarfar wrote: post #67

eogas wrote: post #65

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Weird. As it turns out, the feature that I was complaining about reddit not having (not being able to add/remove without training the filter) was added an hour after I made this comment.

Maybe even the reddit devs hang out on HN these days? ;) Generally, what's the beef with not liking "self promotion" i.e. me posting my own blog articles?

>Generally, what's the beef with not liking "self promotion" i.e. me posting my own blog articles?

The usual rule is 10:1 of your own content, but that depends on the subreddit.

Re: Reddit vs Hacker News vs Twitter

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Post by eogas » Thu, Mar 08, 2012, 12:04 AM UTC

pozorvlak wrote: post #70

eogas wrote: post #52

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That first one was submitted to /r/programming by a user who has a really bad history of incessantly spamming his/her own blog and nothing else. The user has 2 comments in 4 years, and only 2 submissions which are not self promotion (one of which is yours). I couldn't find a trace of the other two, though looking at your account (or what I think is your account) I am seeing a slew of filtered posts, some of which are…

> It filters really heavily against people who submit the same domain a large part of the time, and we (moderators) tend to stick to that as well. Is that done on a per-subreddit basis, or a whole-site basis? If I submit mostly my own content to proggit but mostly other people's content to other subreddits, will the proggit filter hate me?

I believe that all the spam prevention measures are done on a per-subreddit basis, meaning that if you only submit to other subreddits, you will look like a new user to the proggit spam filter once you start submitting. A couple users have been plagued by the exact scenario you pointed out, where they had a ton of other sources, but they only posted their own content to /r/programming, which is problematic.

Re: Reddit vs Hacker News vs Twitter

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Post by eogas » Thu, Mar 08, 2012, 12:17 AM UTC

willvarfar wrote: post #67

eogas wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Weird. As it turns out, the feature that I was complaining about reddit not having (not being able to add/remove without training the filter) was added an hour after I made this comment.

Maybe even the reddit devs hang out on HN these days? ;) Generally, what's the beef with not liking "self promotion" i.e. me posting my own blog articles?

I know that most, if not all of the earlier admins are on HN. Reddit was originally funded by ycombinator. It wouldn't be too much of a stretch to think that the new guys do as well.

As far as self promotion, there isn't a whole lot of consensus on it. The community aspect of the site is somewhat at odds with the link aggregator model. If bloggers submit all of their content, pretty much automatically, and don't contribute to the community in other ways, that doesn't really tend to go over so well. As a result, people who create content are expected to invest time and energy into becoming part of the community so they can accurately gauge how their content will be received.

It's not just supposed to be a place to dump all your links.

/r/programming is more biased towards the link aggregator model than the rest of the site, however the community aspect is still there. Someone mentioned a 10:1 ratio for other content to your own, however in /r/programming, I usually say that 50/50 is fine.

Re: Reddit vs Hacker News vs Twitter

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Post by eogas » Thu, Mar 08, 2012, 1:24 AM UTC

willvarfar wrote: post #68

eogas wrote: post #61

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I just approved that post. It should be fine. And on your second note, the idea is not that you go seeking out content to mix in with your own. If you happen to come across a cool article, and it hasn't been submitted to proggit yet, just contribute it. This is probably part of the community vs content aspect you mentioned in a different comment, but sheer size of the site means that you cannot really ignore the comm…

So I can infer the rules better, which of my posts are appropriate for proggit and which are not? lets try and train the bayesian filter in my brain ;)

Haha. Well, to be completely honest, I was recruited as a moderator for /r/programming because of a novelty account I ran that essentially bitched about any submission that could remotely be construed as not being related to programming, so I, and the mod who added me, are pretty strict about what belongs in the sub and what doesn't.

Looking over your blog though, it seems like most of the stuff you write about is fine. We'll only have a huge problem with it if you start indiscriminately submitting every post on your blog, relevant to programming or not. If you're not sure, just submit anyway. One of the admins just added a feature yesterday that allows us to remove posts that are off topic without training the spam filter (long overdue), so if we do decide that something isn't right for the subreddit, it won't harm your standing with the filter.

Re: Reddit vs Hacker News vs Twitter

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Post by p0ss » Thu, Mar 08, 2012, 1:53 AM UTC

diminoten wrote: post #54

There is something systemically flawed with Reddit's moderator system which precludes it from ever being an unqualified success as a social news aggregator. The primary issue revolves around the selection process for moderation. To become a moderator for a subreddit, you need to have thought of the name of the subreddit. That's it. This nomenclature designation act grants any user absolute power within that domain sp…

reddit needs more democracy

Re: Reddit vs Hacker News vs Twitter

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Post by socialist_coder » Thu, Mar 08, 2012, 4:44 AM UTC

blhack wrote: post #48

ExpiredLink wrote: post #43

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Is 'spam filter' nowadays an euphemism for 'moderators'?

Yes. Reddit's spam filter is completely broken with no apparent activity from the current group of admins towards fixing it. It seems that generally if you submit something to reddit, it will get caught in the spam filter, then you have to message a moderator to request that it get approved. [Again, it seems] that you're not so much voting on an assortment of links, you're voting on an assortment of links that modera…

Yeah, I have always been puzzled about that. I will post extremely relevant content to various sub-reddits and they never show up in new/hot/whatever. It's like insta-spammed somehow. I don't even bother messaging the admin.

Re: Reddit vs Hacker News vs Twitter

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Post by path411 » Thu, Mar 08, 2012, 9:43 PM UTC

18pfsmt wrote: post #25

nikcub wrote: post #19

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This is why I wrote my own datapoint gathering script (I started it while at Techcrunch, curious about who scrolls down to comments, etc.). It measures body focus, number of times unfocused, total focus time, scroll position, scroll rate and a bunch of other things. It isn't completely working cross-browser yet, but it is close and useful enough where for Safari and Chrome visitors I can see how far down the page the…

No doubt, this is part of the reason this noscript_using_reader stopped visiting TC. Call me a tinfoilhat-guy, but I simply would not consent to the collection of such data. It's ironic that I've learned so much from your analysis of data collection techniques elsewhere.

If the site still functions without these scripts (As it should), then there isn't much of a reason to stop visiting a site because of it.