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Firefox has surpassed Chrome on Speedometer

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Re: Firefox has surpassed Chrome on Speedometer

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Post by dmix »

beltsazar wrote: post #214
seba_dos1 wrote: post #17

There was a time when Firefox felt a lot slower than Chromium, but for a few years now it's been close enough (even if still somewhat slower) to not bother me, while Firefox clearly offers superior functionality and much better performance under high load. The last time Chromium has felt attractive compared to Firefox was a really long time ago. Glad to see it moving in the right direction still.

I switched to Firefox from Chrome years ago because Chrome was slower. Specially, when there were many tabs opened, switching tabs in Chrome were usually prefaced with a blank white screen for about 2 seconds. I've been staying with Firefox not for the performance (today Chrome loads Google sites like YouTube faster), but mainly for Tree Style Tab extension. I couldn't imagine opening more than a dozen of tabs withou…

> but mainly for Tree Style Tab extension.

Same, I like to pretend I use Firefox for other reasons but 99% of it is tree tab.

Re: Firefox has surpassed Chrome on Speedometer

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Post by jrnichols »

I've been a fan of Firefox for many years. Seems that those friends of mine still using Chrome are doing so because they are firmly trapped in the Googleverse. (gmail, YouTube, Google Docs, etc.)

Firefox & its containers have been fantastic. Fast, stable, and I get the impression that security still matters.

Re: Firefox has surpassed Chrome on Speedometer

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Post by JohnFen »

seti0Cha wrote: post #453
JohnFen wrote: post #437

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True, but keyloggers aren't one of the threat vectors I am most concerned about, and as mcpackieh said, it still limits the potential damage quite a lot. We all have to gear our security mechanisms toward our particular threat assessments.

What is your biggest concern? I would think key loggers are a more common threat than attacks on the password manager directly, especially if you're running something niche. What else do you gain from keeping it air gapped?

Keyloggers rank low for me because I'm only using my own devices that I have physical control over, so a dongle is unlikely. A keylogger would have to come in through malware.

That's certainly possible, but if malware were able to get installed despite my other protections, then I probably have much larger issues. And the keylogger would have to phone home with the data, which is unlikely (but not impossible) to happen without raising some alarms.

So I'm more worried about sharing data with the password management company systems themselves. If there's no real reason to send data over the net, then I don't want to send data over the net. The smaller the attack surface, the better.

It's just my personal policy. In reality, I don't consider either keyloggers or password management company computers to be huge enough risks that I lose sleep over them. Plus, I don't want to become reliant on a particular piece of software to do important things -- typing my password by hand means that I'll have the most common passwords memorized, so if something goes wrong that prevents the use of the password manager, I'm not locked out of anything.

Re: Firefox has surpassed Chrome on Speedometer

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Post by OkayPhysicist »

Digit-Al wrote: post #282
andai wrote: post #253

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Not to do a "you're holding it wrong", but why would you want so many tabs that they go offscreen? More precisely, why 100 tabs in 1 window instead of 10 tabs times 10 windows?

It's not something I ever do, but I imagine the answer to your question is that you can easily search for a particular tab when they are all in one window, but it would become a big chore if you had to switch between multiple windows and search each one to find a tab.

On Firefox, at least, search will surface tabs in other windows. I often have 2 browser windows open, one for each monitor (one mostly for streaming content while I dick around on the other one).

Re: Firefox has surpassed Chrome on Speedometer

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Post by chasil »

nateb2022 wrote: post #198
Kholin wrote: post #64

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For me, Firefox performs better on Linux than on Windows.

This is true of a lot of things.

Windows does not fork processes as fast as Linux, although this is improved somewhat in the in the Windows Subsystem for Linux.

Here is a somewhat foolish test with a shell script, that forks "/bin/true" 10 million times.

  C:\>busybox sh
  ~ $ echo 'x=10000000; while [ $x -gt 0 ]; do true; x=$((x-1)); done' > timetest
  ~ $ time sh timetest
  real    0m 46.86s
  user    0m 46.76s
  sys     0m 0.04s
Here is the same test with Debian's dash shell, one of the fastest:

  $ cat timetest
  x=10000000; while [ $x -gt 0 ]; do true; x=$((x-1)); done
  $ time dash timetest
  0m33.79s real     0m33.50s user     0m0.05s system
Not a great test, but there is quite a difference there.

Re: Firefox has surpassed Chrome on Speedometer

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Post by BizarroLand »

charcircuit wrote: post #443
BizarroLand wrote: post #384

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I also like that Firefox isn't putting artificial limitations on the plugins that we can use in order to appease their infinite hunger for ad revenue. Chrome's manifest v3's entire purpose for existence is to ultimately snuff out ad blockers so they can make the internet worse for everyone and get more money in the process. And if you don't believe me then you are wrong. Of course they won't do it immediately. They w…

>Chrome's manifest v3's entire purpose for existence is to ultimately snuff out ad blockers There is no evidence of that, while there is evidence that manifest v3 provides security, privacy, and performance benefits. Manifest v3 doesn't stop ad blocking from working. >so they can make the internet worse for everyone Ads make the internet better for everyone since it provides a monetization model for sites to give awa…

If you're going to lick ad company boots, at least spit shine your spelling first.

Re: Firefox has surpassed Chrome on Speedometer

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Post by nvm0n1 »

pcthrowaway wrote: post #390
jzoch wrote: post #286

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Honestly you are the first person I’ve ever heard that prefers chromes tab system. Check out tree style tabs it’ll change your life. I hate chrome now solely due to it

Tab groups in Chrome are a relatively new feature (and might still be behind an experimental feature flag, or at least the ability to save tab groups might be). They're a game changer; so much better than using a third party extension IMO.

Tab groups are old. Maybe saving them not?

Re: Firefox has surpassed Chrome on Speedometer

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Post by Jochim »

dylan604 wrote: post #397
Jochim wrote: post #299

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I use FF and prefer the devtools. Chrome's ability to temporarily edit and save changes to JS sources through the debugger editor is fantastic though. Other than that it's mostly just improvements to what FF already has. Search could be made much more useful, especially network requests. Searching all request bodies/responses for a particular string/json/regex would be a huge step up. You can search the response of i…

>Chrome's ability to temporarily edit and save changes to JS sources through the debugger editor is fantastic though. Does this affect the live code so the change is available immediately? I once had a thought about wondering if this was possible to have the change available without refreshing

As far as I know, you have to reload the page sadly.
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