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Firefox has surpassed Chrome on Speedometer

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Re: Firefox has surpassed Chrome on Speedometer

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Post by FalconSensei »

hooby wrote: post #176

It would be really bad if everyone used Firefox - just as it would be very bad if everyone used Chrome (or even any other browser based on the same rendering engine). We all absolutely do benefit greatly from having multiple competing browsers and render engines - regardless of which one we individually prefer to use. Therefore I really don't understand the many, many, many "my-browser-is-better-than-yours-you-should…

> many "my-browser-is-better-than-yours-you-should-switch" comments in this thread here

Also because they say FF is better but... for what/who? what parts are better?

I try it a couple times a year, and always go back to Chrome, because the UX is so bad (for me). I get more stressed about the browser I'm using, than actually enjoying the browsing

Re: Firefox has surpassed Chrome on Speedometer

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Post by austin-cheney »

kstrauser wrote: post #360
austin-cheney wrote: post #283

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As a JavaScript developer my priorities are limited to visual render and DOM access. Going back 5+ years ago Chrome was able to access the DOM at about 45m ops/s on my desktop and Firefox was achieving about 850m ops/s on the same hardware. On my laptop (faster memory) Chrome was getting up to 55m ops/s while Firefox was around 1.4b ops/s. Now Firefox numbers have remained constant, but Chrome struggles to hit 20m op…

How many cores was laptop benchmark running on?

I believe the CPU is 4 core, JavaScript is single threaded (multi-callstack) so you only get 1 logical CPU core.

Re: Firefox has surpassed Chrome on Speedometer

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Post by LtdJorge »

JohnFen wrote: post #407
FirmwareBurner wrote: post #394

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>But I completely trust Firefox on the password issue, to the point that I let it generate them for me. Not that I don't trust them but I always recommend using a dedicated PW manager like KeePassXC which is FOSS and has been security audited, plus it gives you full control over where you get to store your PWs and how they're secured and generated.

I'm even stricter than you. I use a password manager, but on a separate device from where I use passwords and it does not talk over the network. Wen I use a password, I look it up and type it in by hand. No autofill is possible, intentionally.

That doesn't bypass keyloggers

Re: Firefox has surpassed Chrome on Speedometer

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Post by twism »

I may bee the outlier here since everyone seems to gush about firefox every now and then on here ... but as a webdev firefox still feels second rate to me when it comes to PWA, Push Notifications, CSS animations (glitchy/graphics tearing) and a host of other things I test for browser compatibility

Re: Firefox has surpassed Chrome on Speedometer

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Post by mcpackieh »

LtdJorge wrote: post #433
JohnFen wrote: post #407

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm even stricter than you. I use a password manager, but on a separate device from where I use passwords and it does not talk over the network. Wen I use a password, I look it up and type it in by hand. No autofill is possible, intentionally.

That doesn't bypass keyloggers

It would limit the scope of the damage. Instead of getting the entire password database, the keylogger would only get those passwords that were used while the system was compromised.

Re: Firefox has surpassed Chrome on Speedometer

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Post by foota »

542458 wrote: post #401
jeroenhd wrote: post #277

That's very interesting! Last time I benchmarked Firefox, it performed half as fast as Chrome or Gnome's WebKit. I should run my benchmarks again! I do wonder though, is this performance improvement Windows specific? It's hard to believe that Mozilla could make up the difference in only three or four months. Edit: looks like Chromium still beats Firefox on Linux: https://treeherder.mozilla.org/perfherder/graphs?highl…

https://arewefastyet.com/win10/benchmarks/overview?numDays=6... Looks like it really depends on the benchmark. In some Firefox gets slaughtered, in some Firefox is the clear winner.

Some of these are score (higher is better) and some are time (lower is better) in case that wasn't clear.

Re: Firefox has surpassed Chrome on Speedometer

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Post by JohnFen »

LtdJorge wrote: post #433
JohnFen wrote: post #407

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm even stricter than you. I use a password manager, but on a separate device from where I use passwords and it does not talk over the network. Wen I use a password, I look it up and type it in by hand. No autofill is possible, intentionally.

That doesn't bypass keyloggers

True, but keyloggers aren't one of the threat vectors I am most concerned about, and as mcpackieh said, it still limits the potential damage quite a lot.

We all have to gear our security mechanisms toward our particular threat assessments.

Re: Firefox has surpassed Chrome on Speedometer

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Post by mthoms »

ddoolin wrote: post #354
dahfizz wrote: post #259

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> I couldn't imagine opening more than a dozen of tabs without it. I can't imagine having more than a dozen tabs open, period. You tab hoarders will never make sense to me...

Agreed, but once I switched to vertical tabs (via Sidebery with Firefox), it is WAY more manageable. Multiple tab spaces, named groupings, and a scrollable view that doesn't crowd and shorten names make it great for having many items in there with little downside.

Does Firefox have the ability to hide the top tabs when you have an extension like this? Last I tried it, it required some finessing with CSS.

Re: Firefox has surpassed Chrome on Speedometer

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Post by babel_ »

mcpackieh wrote: post #428
fardo wrote: post #408

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To be fair, Firefox is also FOSS, contains an integrated password manager with extraordinarily well-integrated browser compatibility, and by opting to use a master password to encrypt or decrypt the store also gives you control over securitization, storage location, and generation. Not to say that KeePassXC isn’t useful if you want even more fine-grained controls, but it seems like in the > Use password in browser Us…

My problem with Firefox's password manager is there doesn't seem to be a way to export/import to/from an encrypted file that I can back up to other places. I can export to an unencrypted text file (and no apparent way to import again), or I can use their sync service (or run my own maybe?), or I can backup the entire firefox profile. This is what Firefox says when I go to export my logins: "[!] Your paswords will be…

> "[!] Your paswords will be saved as readable text (e.g., BadP@ssw0rd) so anyone who can open the exported file can view them."

That's effectively what almost all of them say when you export your logins (usually as CSV, JSON, or XML), because they export in plain text, because you don't know what the user needs it for, up to and including manual imputation (better than expect a random user to have to learn how to print out a database, or worse submit that database file to some online service to print out).

Users aren't necessarily highly computer literate, we don't want to prevent people from having security, but even if they were they may still have use cases that do not accept such a database (migrating password manager that don't know your previous one, perhaps), so most of them use (unencrypted) plain text and just accept they'll have to leave it in the user's hands, and warn them it's exposed.

We'd absolutely love there to be safe, portable ways to move our data around such that it remains encrypted while migrating, yes, but that's just not something our current crop of software really enables fully these days, unfortunately.

Re: Firefox has surpassed Chrome on Speedometer

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Post by LambdaComplex »

ddoolin wrote: post #419
LambdaComplex wrote: post #381

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How does Sidebery compare to Tree Style Tab?

I've never used the latter, but they certainly look very similar! I may have to give it a shot actually.

I've been trying Sidebery since about 2 minutes after I made my last comment, and I think I like Sidebery more--and I've been using Tree Style Tab for _years_

Sidebery responds noticeably faster, and the panels are a great feature.

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