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In the Asian Flu of 1957-58, they rejected lockdowns (2021)

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Re: In the Asian Flu of 1957-58, they rejected lockdowns (2021)

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> The American Institute for Economic Research educates people on the value of personal freedom, free enterprise, property rights, limited government, and sound money Saved some of you a click hopefully

Big surprise that an organization like this would adopt an anti-lockdown stance. Not saying they're ultimately wrong, but it's good to know what their biases are in order to put things in context.

It is not bias it is flat out propaganda.

Re: In the Asian Flu of 1957-58, they rejected lockdowns (2021)

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> The American Institute for Economic Research educates people on the value of personal freedom, free enterprise, property rights, limited government, and sound money Saved some of you a click hopefully

Are any of those things bad by themself or in combination?

If I started shilling for the Marxist-Leninist Institute of Vkou that promoted cake for everyone, equality, unity and prosperity, self-determination and social wellbeing, would you be concerned about any of those things separately, together, or would you just dismiss me out of hand, because you think you know where that road leads?

I think I know where the road of 'personal freedom, free enterprise, property rights, limited government, and sound money' leads, and I'm also usually quite happy to dismiss anyone shilling for it out of hand.

Re: In the Asian Flu of 1957-58, they rejected lockdowns (2021)

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> The American Institute for Economic Research educates people on the value of personal freedom, free enterprise, property rights, limited government, and sound money Saved some of you a click hopefully

Are any of those things bad by themself or in combination?

It's not necessarily that they're bad it's just that they're likely not a valuable source of acquiring information outside of what supports a specific position. Like I wouldn't necessarily trust an oil baron to tell me about how global warming doesn't really exist, or I don't necessarily believe Disney's Iger to tell me about how the writing and acting strikes are entitled whining nonsense.

Re: In the Asian Flu of 1957-58, they rejected lockdowns (2021)

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> The American Institute for Economic Research educates people on the value of personal freedom, free enterprise, property rights, limited government, and sound money Saved some of you a click hopefully

Are any of those things bad by themself or in combination?

> Are any of those things bad by themself or in combination?

"The right to swing my fist ends where the other man’s nose begins."

* https://quoteinvestigator.com/2011/10/15/liberty-fist-nose/

Towards an individual those things may be fine, but we each live in a society, and how your actions effect others could be a factor in how much each of them may be exercised.

Re: In the Asian Flu of 1957-58, they rejected lockdowns (2021)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are any of those things bad by themself or in combination?

Personal freedom can be a bad idea in crisis situations. Selflessness and following procedure can be better for the collective. This is why crisis operators follow checklists rather than giving each individual absolute personal freedom.

and there's the temptation to govern in a permanent crisis mode. there is no end to reasons why there is a crisis. or, is there a scientific definition of "crisis"?

Re: In the Asian Flu of 1957-58, they rejected lockdowns (2021)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are any of those things bad by themself or in combination?

If I started shilling for the Marxist-Leninist Institute of Vkou that promoted cake for everyone, equality, unity and prosperity, self-determination and social wellbeing, would you be concerned about any of those things separately, together, or would you just dismiss me out of hand, because you think you know where that road leads? I think I know where the road of 'personal freedom, free enterprise, property rights,…

Marxist-Leninists often have fair and valid critique of society. Hearing them out is valuable even if you (like myself) find yourself opposed to many of their values and proposals.

Re: In the Asian Flu of 1957-58, they rejected lockdowns (2021)

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This article immediately claims that the Asian Flu in question was far deadlier than COVID. This is categorically false. In fact, it's not even close. The article claims 116k US deaths attributable to the Asian flu. Meanwhile, there were 10x that number of excess US deaths during the COVID pandemic. https://ourworldindata.org/excess-mortality-covid As others have pointed out, the AIER is a conservative think-tank. I…

> Excess mortality....the number of deaths *from all causes* during a crisis

My friend killed himself because of lockdown. I guess he is a covid victim. Very convinient.

Re: In the Asian Flu of 1957-58, they rejected lockdowns (2021)

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> The American Institute for Economic Research educates people on the value of personal freedom, free enterprise, property rights, limited government, and sound money Saved some of you a click hopefully

Are any of those things bad by themself or in combination?

No, but understanding the position of the author is useful. There is an agenda behind this article. If my goal is to avoid death during a pandemic, personally I would rather read articles about pandemic response by epidemiologists rather than economists.

Re: In the Asian Flu of 1957-58, they rejected lockdowns (2021)

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This article immediately claims that the Asian Flu in question was far deadlier than COVID. This is categorically false. In fact, it's not even close. The article claims 116k US deaths attributable to the Asian flu. Meanwhile, there were 10x that number of excess US deaths during the COVID pandemic. https://ourworldindata.org/excess-mortality-covid As others have pointed out, the AIER is a conservative think-tank. I…

> Excess mortality....the number of deaths * from all causes* during a crisis My friend killed himself because of lockdown. I guess he is a covid victim. Very convinient.

Unless you believe that 90% of the excess deaths were not directly related to COVID, your implied point falls flat.

Edit: There were 1.1 million COVID deaths in the USA alone.

https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/data/mortality

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