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Re: Firefox has surpassed Chrome on Speedometer

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Post by Given_47 »

danShumway wrote: post #357
dahfizz wrote: post #259

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> I couldn't imagine opening more than a dozen of tabs without it. I can't imagine having more than a dozen tabs open, period. You tab hoarders will never make sense to me...

It's just ADHD, there's not really a workflow reason that I have 1000+ tabs open. It just kind of happens. Firefox/Sideberry is useful for mitigating that. I also have workflows set up for mass-exporting my tabs from Firefox to a text file and reorganizing them in plain-text and re-opening just the tabs I care about[0]. Bookmarking on any browser is cumbersome and leads to disorganization over time. Tree-style tabs h…

Nice! I went on a closing tab spree recently but rejoined the 1k club this morning (1018 brave tabs rn on my mac) lol

Re: Firefox has surpassed Chrome on Speedometer

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Post by clumsysmurf »

jzoch wrote: post #286
SomeHacker44 wrote: post #279

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The thing that I really like in Chrome (which I use for work) is Tab Groups. There is nothing like it for Firefox. Even the "Simple Tab Groups" extension, which is well liked, cannot do the simple "grouping" of tabs in a larger window - it simply hides all the tabs that are not in current use (which defeats the purpose of tab groups, I can just use windows for that). Another thing that Chrome has is the ability to na…

Honestly you are the first person I’ve ever heard that prefers chromes tab system. Check out tree style tabs it’ll change your life. I hate chrome now solely due to it

I haven't used chrome tab system, but Safari's tab groups are nice. Point being, most other browser, including esoteric ones like Vivaldi, have a way to organize tabs beyond simple order and moving them to other windows. If you are in a corporate environment, it is unlikely a user can install extensions like sideberry.

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Post by SoftTalker »

coldtea wrote: post #240
javajosh wrote: post #127

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As an aside, I am very much against this trend of accusing people of "internalizing" a bad thing such that they aren't aware of it. It's using therapy-speak as an ad hominem attack, and in my view reflects poorly on the speaker. Most of the people on HN are software developers and are conversant in a wide variety of tools on many platforms, and certainly I am (one can infer that from my post). So to assert that I sim…

Considering this as a possibility is anything than "fundamentally disrespectful and ignorant". I've known lots of developers who thought that some broken, slow, erratic, or stupid, program or OS behavior is the normal, because that's what they've been used to. They could be great programmers too, they just didn't venture much outside the stuff they used. As for the diatribe, I don't care for this recent trend of perc…

> broken, slow, erratic, or stupid, program or OS behavior

This describes so much software that I don't see how you can fault anyone for thinking it is normal.

Re: Firefox has surpassed Chrome on Speedometer

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Post by tmvnty »

seba_dos1 wrote: post #17

There was a time when Firefox felt a lot slower than Chromium, but for a few years now it's been close enough (even if still somewhat slower) to not bother me, while Firefox clearly offers superior functionality and much better performance under high load. The last time Chromium has felt attractive compared to Firefox was a really long time ago. Glad to see it moving in the right direction still.

I have never doubted the performance of Firefox. There’s a really old computer sitting in my house, never updated it for almost a decade now and my parents occasionally use it. The Chrome on it kept getting slower and laggier, while the Firefox always work fine. At some point, I just removed Chrome and told my parents to use Firefox: “the red fox is the Internet”

Re: Firefox has surpassed Chrome on Speedometer

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Post by rewmie »

dahfizz wrote: post #259
beltsazar wrote: post #214

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I switched to Firefox from Chrome years ago because Chrome was slower. Specially, when there were many tabs opened, switching tabs in Chrome were usually prefaced with a blank white screen for about 2 seconds. I've been staying with Firefox not for the performance (today Chrome loads Google sites like YouTube faster), but mainly for Tree Style Tab extension. I couldn't imagine opening more than a dozen of tabs withou…

> I couldn't imagine opening more than a dozen of tabs without it. I can't imagine having more than a dozen tabs open, period. You tab hoarders will never make sense to me...

> I can't imagine having more than a dozen tabs open, period. You tab hoarders will never make sense to me...

Dashboards can easily take two or three tabs.

The bug tracker is opened on a tab as well as the ticket page. You have a pull request opened to review it, and you check something in the repository. Pop open a couple of diffs to check where someone messed up in the past.

And in the meantime you have Spotify/YouTube.

A dozen tabs easily.

Factor in task switching, checking CICD pipelines, and of course HackerNews opened somewhere, and you can get multiples of that.

Re: Firefox has surpassed Chrome on Speedometer

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Post by Given_47 »

dom96 wrote: post #186
alpaca128 wrote: post #91

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Same. Recently I tried Brave because of all the praise but turns out the browser can only display around 80 tabs on the tab bar and every further tab simply never shows up even if it's in the foreground. I've seen mobile browsers handle many tabs better. I'm staying with Firefox, though I think Brave is probably still a good recommendation for users that don't want to go through the effort of installing an ad blocker…

> though I think Brave is probably still a good recommendation for users that don't want to go through the effort of installing an ad blocker Is that really the only reason to install Brave? Starting to wonder if I should just set up a Firefox that bundles uBlock Origin by default with a brand new name.

What ur describing is essentially Librewolf

Re: Firefox has surpassed Chrome on Speedometer

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Post by mcpackieh »

dahfizz wrote: post #259
beltsazar wrote: post #214

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I switched to Firefox from Chrome years ago because Chrome was slower. Specially, when there were many tabs opened, switching tabs in Chrome were usually prefaced with a blank white screen for about 2 seconds. I've been staying with Firefox not for the performance (today Chrome loads Google sites like YouTube faster), but mainly for Tree Style Tab extension. I couldn't imagine opening more than a dozen of tabs withou…

> I couldn't imagine opening more than a dozen of tabs without it. I can't imagine having more than a dozen tabs open, period. You tab hoarders will never make sense to me...

>hoarding

I've got 30 tabs open today, and the oldest of them is only a few hours old.

I look down a page, see interesting links, and middle click them all. They open tabs but don't actually load until I click that tab. I close each tab after I'm done reading it, or after a few hours if I never got around to reading it and lost interest.

Is that hoarding? I don't think so. But it's the sort of workflow that TST makes pleasant but is extremely frustrating with a horizontal tab bar.

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Post by Given_47 »

TechBro8615 wrote: post #264
dom96 wrote: post #186

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> though I think Brave is probably still a good recommendation for users that don't want to go through the effort of installing an ad blocker Is that really the only reason to install Brave? Starting to wonder if I should just set up a Firefox that bundles uBlock Origin by default with a brand new name.

Don't forget the "basic attention tokens" (are we still doing crypto?)

It’s an interesting concept tbf. I immediately disable it tho but I won’t shit on the idea cuz it’s at least a start

Re: Firefox has surpassed Chrome on Speedometer

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Post by danShumway »

lelandbatey wrote: post #367
danShumway wrote: post #357

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It's just ADHD, there's not really a workflow reason that I have 1000+ tabs open. It just kind of happens. Firefox/Sideberry is useful for mitigating that. I also have workflows set up for mass-exporting my tabs from Firefox to a text file and reorganizing them in plain-text and re-opening just the tabs I care about[0]. Bookmarking on any browser is cumbersome and leads to disorganization over time. Tree-style tabs h…

It's ADHD sure, but it's also an unwillingness to close tabs, and (generally) that we have poor windowing systems that force us into ~1-2 browser windows at a time because browser windows are harder to manage than tabs. The big change for me has been realizing that all my "tabs" are still there, in the form of my browser history, or if not, via Google search. If I can't find my way back to a website via my history or…

> in the form of my browser history, or if not, via Google search.

So I do have bad news about this that may or may not be news: Firefox cycles history even if you never clear it. Unbelievably it's not permanent.

This has bitten me a couple of times in the past because I always assumed that naturally history wouldn't just get randomly deleted in the background, so I'd search for a tweet or article from an obscure blog and couldn't figure out why nothing was coming up in my history searches. Took me a long time to actually check "is this article I looked up 6 months ago even there anymore?"

There is a way to set up recurring database backups manually if you're willing to do some gruntwork, but it's kind of a pain and means you need to break out an SQLite browser across multiple backups in order to search.

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Where searching is concerned, :shrug: that doesn't generally work for me, but I'm happy for anyone that it does work for :) My tabs aren't just so that I remember where a document is (although they serve that purpose as well), they're also a reminder that the thing exists at all. When it gets to 1000 tabs, is that useful? Arguably no, but the process getting there is pretty organic, it's not really a conscious choice.

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In support of your comment though, being able to just stick all of my tabs in an open text file does genuinely help a lot[0] because it's permanent history and it serves the same purpose of being a reminder. It could be better, sometimes I leave tabs open on images that I forget to get around to saving or on open sessions and then the link rot hits whatever I'm looking at -- but it helps a lot. Being able to have an intermediary step between "leave everything open" and "categorize and organize everything you're looking at and save what you need" does allow me to do things like grab 500 tabs that I haven't checked in weeks and just stick them in a text file and write some notes at the top about what I was working on.

Split browser sessions, better windowing would help a lot with this, although I worry I'd end up with similar situations as my Emacs window, where everything looks clean but behind the scenes I have 1000 open files and 20 of them are unsaved scratch buffers ;) But the text file does kind of work the way you're describing; you can be free of the clutter, but if you really need to find everything, you know it's in a static text file that you can grep through at any time and that you know the browser won't do anything shifty with in the background.

[0]: I say that it's common to have 1000 tabs open, and it is, but currently I only have about 200, largely because of that method. I went through a bunch of stuff a few weeks ago and stashed most of the stuff I had open.

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