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Re: Refusing to teach kids math will not improve equity

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This is one of the many reasons we decided to homeschool, despite having a pretty good experience with public education.

It's like a super power to be able to tailor education for your own children. You know their strengths and weaknesses better than anybody.

Re: Refusing to teach kids math will not improve equity

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> School board elections have very low turnout usually, and the people elected to them are disproportionately ideologues who treat engaged parents with contempt for being "privileged." Not only the School Board but the Teachers Unions and the United States Government are anti parents attending School Board meetings to support their children. Red or Blue, 6 or 600, it doesn’t matter when the USG decides to make parent…

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I find it hard to believe that you find it hard to believe that law enforcement was called in to deal with individuals threatening violence on others, regardless of whether these were parents at a school board meeting.

Re: Refusing to teach kids math will not improve equity

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Stuff like this is why I will remain a proponent for true vouchers for the rest of my life. No parent should be stuck without options when educational governance goes sideways like this. Pull your kid. Find them a school that gives them the greatest opportunity to succeed and use the funds earmarked for their education to ensure they receive it. Currently, options are restricted to parents who can afford to move to a…

I understand why you would want the choice but I think history has already shown that vouchers don't work. You have to remember that the thing vouchers do is take money out of the school you are leaving. (A better approach would be for there to be a private school tax deduction alongside programs like 529). This leaves the students that are already behind fewer resources to catch up. We need school reform desperately and this new program is very bad and not it. However, allocating extra resources for those who needed most hasn't been a priority writ large either or we wouldn't be where were are now. We also forget that there are many social aspects that drive under performers. Food insecurity, family stability, safe quiet place to read and do homework, etc. have a huge impact on student performance. School breakfast/lunch/dinner should be free for all students. We should have more after school programs built into the schools for students that need it so they can get tutoring on-prem before they even return home to a potentially unstable home life. Unfortunately we don't approach all the interconnected issues holistically. (Similar to how trivial it would be solve most homelessness if we had the political courage to change our approach).

You claim that you shouldn't be "stuck" with a bad school program but you aren't. You can run for school board along with other like minded student-focused parents and get the thing corrected.

Re: Refusing to teach kids math will not improve equity

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A kid takes a French class. Can he speak French afterwards? Can he read/write in French? I guess that's how you'd know if he learned it. Is that a test? I guess so but I'd like to see grades take a backseat to actual learning. Maybe that's a bad position to take.

I think we have the same idea: stupid grades that don't measure actual results are bad. Not that I'm salty, but I always had poor grades because I rarely if ever did homework. But I aced the tests, so why bother?

Yup. There should be fast tracks and slow tracks. If I already know the material, I get to advance. No need to hold everyone back.

Re: Refusing to teach kids math will not improve equity

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The author says > The idea that offering children fewer educational resources through the public school system will help the poor kids catch up with rich ones, or help the Black kids catch up with the White and Asian ones, is unsupported by any available evidence of which I am aware. I was wondering if some people are aware of studies supporting this strategy. I could try to dig them up, but I remember few studies de…

They address that in the article: tutoring. One on one tutoring works amazingly well. I used to volunteer as a tutor. The students I worked with accelerated drastically. It's simply a matter of money.

They do leave out some things: food + shelter. Many poor students have problems with nutrition and safe shelter, both of which make learning near impossible.

The metro area I'm in is a perfect example of this. We have two small cities side by side. Pretty much the same socioeconomic makeup in both. One invests massively into education, tutoring, summer programs, etc. In the other the schools are literally crumbling, but hey, the police budget is at an all time high! The city investing into education ranks 9/10-10/10 on state tests, the city that allows its buildings to literally crumble (the library was off limits for a while because the ceiling tiles were falling so often they were injuring the children), ranks 2/10.

We don't need to dumb down anything. We need to raise everyone up by investing in education.

Re: Refusing to teach kids math will not improve equity

#136
Has anyone tried giving kids a vote in school-board elections?

Teachers' unions are increasingly compromised. Electeds use kids as pawns to appeal to radicals to promote random social causes. And parents seem to focus on grades going up at the expense of an actual education.

Maybe they'll just vote themselves candy. But in my experience, kids understand--at least as well as the median adult voter--what they need to succeed. Enfranchising them in their own educations seems worth exploring.

California, in particular, has high-school only school districts. We don't have to start with whether the kindergarten block is aligned with less nap time.

Re: Refusing to teach kids math will not improve equity

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Is there anyone out there who disagrees with this? I have not seen a single person (aside from the few people actually implementing these changes) that agrees with it.

Read the article linked at the start: https://www.noahpinion.blog/p/california-needs-real-math-edu..., and you'll find that there are quite a few people supporting this, importantly in school boards, and education departments and such. They don't care about the rest of the world, because they are "the experts."

Re: Refusing to teach kids math will not improve equity

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post #98

Stuff like this is why I will remain a proponent for true vouchers for the rest of my life. No parent should be stuck without options when educational governance goes sideways like this. Pull your kid. Find them a school that gives them the greatest opportunity to succeed and use the funds earmarked for their education to ensure they receive it. Currently, options are restricted to parents who can afford to move to a…

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I definitely don’t want religious brainwashing. I also definitely do not want the indoctrination that is taking place in our public schools.

Re: Refusing to teach kids math will not improve equity

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Stuff like this is why I will remain a proponent for true vouchers for the rest of my life. No parent should be stuck without options when educational governance goes sideways like this. Pull your kid. Find them a school that gives them the greatest opportunity to succeed and use the funds earmarked for their education to ensure they receive it. Currently, options are restricted to parents who can afford to move to a…

except this is histrionics. there was a fervent backlash against this and they revised the proposal to make it a schools choice to teach it or not. > Stuff like this is why I will remain a proponent for true vouchers for the rest of my life. The only thing that does is line the pockets of fundamentalist christian schools with money and increase the inequality. schools should not be tied to local taxes by and large...…

Not teaching algebra and calculus should not be an option, particularly if one is concerned about equity.

Re: Refusing to teach kids math will not improve equity

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post #54

Stuff like this is why I will remain a proponent for true vouchers for the rest of my life. No parent should be stuck without options when educational governance goes sideways like this. Pull your kid. Find them a school that gives them the greatest opportunity to succeed and use the funds earmarked for their education to ensure they receive it. Currently, options are restricted to parents who can afford to move to a…

There’s a reason that folks who are all about “equity” and “centering black voices” are silent about the fact that black people overwhelmingly support school vouchers: https://wpde.com/news/nation-world/new-survey-shows-black-pa... . Many of the issues the “equity” folks talk about recieve far less support from black people, including racial preferences in admissions and hiring (which the majority of black people opp…

People who have a higher propensity to live in a district with shittier schools overwhelmingly support an alternative. This isn’t shocking. What most people, including it seems you, haven’t thought about are the long term consequences to universal voucher programs given the current idiotic system of school funding being largely based on a how much the houses in the area are worth. The long term consequences are bad and quite predictable.

EDIT: There are lots of papers regarding school vouchers and private schools and why it’s a bad idea. Simplistic solutions to complex problems tend not to work and have bad unintended consequences.

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