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G/O media will make more AI-generated stories despite critics

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Re: G/O media will make more AI-generated stories despite critics

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Post by what-wait »

homami wrote: post #36
gwright wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think it confuses things immensely to anthropomorphize large language models. LLMs don't lie or tell the truth they just spit out text that is in alignment with the training model. Don't give them agency they don't have.

I don't lie either. I just spit out words that is in alignment with my mental model for optimizing my future.

Quoting someone on the internet, saying: 'They are just liquidating their assets.'

Their lies are simple: they rule us.

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Re: G/O media will make more AI-generated stories despite critics

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gwright wrote: post #29
barbariangrunge wrote: post #19

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Those 60 people can have a new job: fact checking the lies that the new ais produce

I think it confuses things immensely to anthropomorphize large language models. LLMs don't lie or tell the truth they just spit out text that is in alignment with the training model. Don't give them agency they don't have.

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Re: G/O media will make more AI-generated stories despite critics

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Post by bobthepanda »

worldofmatthew wrote: post #40
bobthepanda wrote: post #9

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The problem generally speaking is that any successor search engine will become a target of the massive spam firehose when sufficiently popular enough, and probably less well equipped to deal with it; Google is well resourced and already struggling. I don’t know that making the web less usable in general is worth it.

I've seen SEO spam sites that have been running for years without Google doing anything about them. Google could do a lot better.

Are they doing nothing, or is the current state of the spam arms race resulting in running just to stay in the same place? And would anyone be better once they became the primary target?

Re: G/O media will make more AI-generated stories despite critics

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Post by svaha1728 »

homami wrote: post #36
gwright wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think it confuses things immensely to anthropomorphize large language models. LLMs don't lie or tell the truth they just spit out text that is in alignment with the training model. Don't give them agency they don't have.

I don't lie either. I just spit out words that is in alignment with my mental model for optimizing my future.

“First you destroy those who create values. Then you destroy those who know what the values are…

But real barbarism begins when no one can any longer judge or know that what one does is barbaric.” — Ryszard Kapuściński

Re: G/O media will make more AI-generated stories despite critics

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Post by rchaud »

As someone who avoided the Twitter firehose like the plague, I've noticed the slow, then rapid decline of traditional 'websites' over the past decade as they succumbed to SEO keyword optimization and driving traffic from social networks. .

Due to the incentives of the players involved, there is no solution that would lead to a neater, less blogspam-infested internet. The concept of a 'website' as Tim Berners Lee and the early netizens understood it, is commpletely outdated.

The second we were able to add an Adsense script or Paypal button or Amazon affiliate link, the fundamental motivation for building websites changed. The artisanal personal websites of yore aren't coming back. People who used to build those have long since moved into less crowded, less commercialized territories where their work might actually be seen.

If you don't want to get angry when looking up a recipe online, buy a recipe book. Everything good on the internet is already paywalled anyway.

Re: G/O media will make more AI-generated stories despite critics

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Post by barbariangrunge »

gwright wrote: post #29
barbariangrunge wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Those 60 people can have a new job: fact checking the lies that the new ais produce

I think it confuses things immensely to anthropomorphize large language models. LLMs don't lie or tell the truth they just spit out text that is in alignment with the training model. Don't give them agency they don't have.

This is to fight back against the term "hallucinate" that everyone on here is using

Re: G/O media will make more AI-generated stories despite critics

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Post by AceJohnny2 »

danaris wrote: post #27
tenebrisalietum wrote: post #17

If AI can write articles that fool Google, Google can use AI to detect it. Heck, maybe there will be an AI model that specifically recognizes AI content and can be used to filter it out. A lot of electricity spent for nothing, but it's not like the human species hasn't been its own worst enemy since it appeared.

I believe efforts of this nature will fall afoul of a very similar effect to the Bullshit Asymmetry Principle[0]: the amount of effort required to detect AI-written content is (at least) an order of magnitude greater than that required to generate them in the first place. And as LLMs get further fine-tuned to generate more and more human-like text, it will get even harder. Even now, I wouldn't give an "AI Text Detect…

Related: "it is easier to automate bad behavior than it is to police it"

Re: G/O media will make more AI-generated stories despite critics

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Post by anileated »

kat_rebelo wrote: post #28

i have always augmented my more traditional music projects with avant-garde and experimental stuff. particularly focusing on found sounds, noise, and free improvisation. i record everything, but i treat it more as a journal of "free writing" than actual music output. the recordings are often formless, noisy, and chaotic and frequently contain experiments in polyrhythms or free time. over the years i've amassed an eno…

The sad reality is that one way or another free and open exchange of information is going to trend down, as people realize anything they publish will get repacked and stripped of attribution to be sold by some commercial AI they will switch to e2ee closed groups, and more active opposition will be poisoning datasets which would introduce more noise and contribute to the trend.

But I agree with the sentiment—if the blatant disregard for IP is not curbed, this sort of thing would have to be done…

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