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Re: Refusing to teach kids math will not improve equity

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Post by yxwvut »

brightball wrote: post #19

Stuff like this is why I will remain a proponent for true vouchers for the rest of my life. No parent should be stuck without options when educational governance goes sideways like this. Pull your kid. Find them a school that gives them the greatest opportunity to succeed and use the funds earmarked for their education to ensure they receive it. Currently, options are restricted to parents who can afford to move to a…

What's your solution to stop runaway education costs in this 'voucher first' world? It's not exactly going well in secondary education.

Re: Refusing to teach kids math will not improve equity

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Post by xcxcx »

brightball wrote: post #39
scarmig wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's the theory that, by forcing the kids with the most engaged parents to go to schools with the kids of less engaged parents, the engaged parents will drive school districts to implement good educational policies. In reality, though, that doesn't seem to have worked. School board elections have very low turnout usually, and the people elected to them are disproportionately ideologues who treat engaged parents wi…

That’s a good case for vouchers. Instead, kids with engaged parents will flee to better schools. The other parents will either follow, growing the new school and model, or the other school will adapt in order to retain students. Engaged parents are your early adopters. Without vouchers, most people can’t even afford to enter the market.

What if you launch convenience store-style mini schools with really terrible infrastructure and content but within five blocks from many buildings?

You could literally rewrite history and language and program an entire generation of future voters. Imagine the possibilities

Re: Refusing to teach kids math will not improve equity

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Post by brightball »

thebooktocome wrote: post #48
brightball wrote: post #19

Stuff like this is why I will remain a proponent for true vouchers for the rest of my life. No parent should be stuck without options when educational governance goes sideways like this. Pull your kid. Find them a school that gives them the greatest opportunity to succeed and use the funds earmarked for their education to ensure they receive it. Currently, options are restricted to parents who can afford to move to a…

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I hear that line a lot, yet many of the best schools are religious schools.

It’s one thing if you’re forced into through zoning. It’s an entirely different picture if it’s a choice of parents.

Re: Refusing to teach kids math will not improve equity

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Post by rayiner »

brightball wrote: post #19

Stuff like this is why I will remain a proponent for true vouchers for the rest of my life. No parent should be stuck without options when educational governance goes sideways like this. Pull your kid. Find them a school that gives them the greatest opportunity to succeed and use the funds earmarked for their education to ensure they receive it. Currently, options are restricted to parents who can afford to move to a…

There’s a reason that folks who are all about “equity” and “centering black voices” are silent about the fact that black people overwhelmingly support school vouchers: https://wpde.com/news/nation-world/new-survey-shows-black-pa.... Many of the issues the “equity” folks talk about recieve far less support from black people, including racial preferences in admissions and hiring (which the majority of black people oppose) and even the notion that government has a special duty to help the social and economic status of black people (which is 50/50) or even the idea that the government has an obligation to racially integrate schools (which is also 50/50).[1]

[1] https://press.princeton.edu/ideas/the-roots-of-black-politic...

Re: Refusing to teach kids math will not improve equity

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Post by LexiMax »

jdminhbg wrote: post #49
thebooktocome wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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I'm for vouchers because I don't think I should have to pay with my taxes for religious indoctrination masquerading as public education.

Please elaborate on your equivocation. On first glance, you're comparing apples and oranges, and it doesn't make much sense.

Re: Refusing to teach kids math will not improve equity

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Post by altcognito »

brightball wrote: post #39
scarmig wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's the theory that, by forcing the kids with the most engaged parents to go to schools with the kids of less engaged parents, the engaged parents will drive school districts to implement good educational policies. In reality, though, that doesn't seem to have worked. School board elections have very low turnout usually, and the people elected to them are disproportionately ideologues who treat engaged parents wi…

That’s a good case for vouchers. Instead, kids with engaged parents will flee to better schools. The other parents will either follow, growing the new school and model, or the other school will adapt in order to retain students. Engaged parents are your early adopters. Without vouchers, most people can’t even afford to enter the market.

One of the purposes of public education is also assimilating children into the shared values of society. In the US this has been forgotten despite guys like Jefferson talking about this exact thing.

The free market can be good at optimizing for certain outcomes, but I don't think you're going to get a lot of buy in with the current political climate being what it is, and a lack of consensus around what kind of outcomes should be required.

Furthermore, making schooling a purely financial transaction? Where do you think that leads?

Re: Refusing to teach kids math will not improve equity

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Post by 1MachineElf »

mydriasis wrote: post #33

> Guess what? Children are educable. If you invest the resources of the state in poor kids and underrepresented minorities, they will learn. It is shocking to me that this has to be said. What in the world...

It probably needs to be said because of situations like that in Baltimore, Maryland. The city spends more than 97% of what other major school districts spend, and yet it's students are on average some of the worst performers: https://foxbaltimore.com/news/project-baltimore/baltimore-ci...

Re: Refusing to teach kids math will not improve equity

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Post by Kalium »

scarmig wrote: post #26
brightball wrote: post #19

Stuff like this is why I will remain a proponent for true vouchers for the rest of my life. No parent should be stuck without options when educational governance goes sideways like this. Pull your kid. Find them a school that gives them the greatest opportunity to succeed and use the funds earmarked for their education to ensure they receive it. Currently, options are restricted to parents who can afford to move to a…

There's the theory that, by forcing the kids with the most engaged parents to go to schools with the kids of less engaged parents, the engaged parents will drive school districts to implement good educational policies. In reality, though, that doesn't seem to have worked. School board elections have very low turnout usually, and the people elected to them are disproportionately ideologues who treat engaged parents wi…

I strongly suspect that in practice, those engaged parents handle it by moving to the next polity over that's not trying to use them to improve policies.

Re: Refusing to teach kids math will not improve equity

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Post by LatteLazy »

rco8786 wrote: post #23

Is there anyone out there who disagrees with this? I have not seen a single person (aside from the few people actually implementing these changes) that agrees with it.

One crazy shouting really loudly sounds like more people than 1k quite citizens when you're a politician trying to remain "in touch"
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