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Re: Firefox has surpassed Chrome on Speedometer

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For me it's the opposite. Firefox's dev tools feel better. What things are missing?

One of the reasons I stopped using Firefox was that the columns in the devtools were unexpandable. I couldn’t see any data past what Firefox decided was enough to show. Did they fix this?

I'm assuming you're talking about table views like the Network or Storage/Cookies tabs? You can resize columns and each cell has a tooltip that shows the full content if it's hidden.

Re: Firefox has surpassed Chrome on Speedometer

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Really cool how you can see Firefox speed enhancements showing up in discrete steps. I am surprised to see Chrome faster than Chromium. What is google doing in their branded flavor?

On windows you can speed chromium up by renaming it to chrome.exe so it gets special treatment by antivirus software.

Chromium's executable[1][2] is already named chrome.exe unless the builder goes out of their way to rename it. This can't be the reason.

1. https://download-chromium.appspot.com/ 2. https://ungoogled-software.github.io/ungoogled-chromium-bina...

Re: Firefox has surpassed Chrome on Speedometer

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There are plenty of legitimate reasons to have multiple tabs open that doesn't really have to do with "hoarding". For games, I often have a bunch of wiki tabs open at the same time.

For me I just type titles or word back into the browser bar and Firefox searches history. How are you searching/navigating to find the right tab of several hundred to go back to that tab?

You can also search open tabs in the address bar: https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/address-bar-autocomplet...

I hardly use it, though, because I usually have < 100 open tabs, not thousands like others have. I identify tabs by their tree structures (parents, children, siblings tabs) and the prefixes of the titles, whose lengths don't depend on how many tabs opened, because the tabs are arranged vertically.

Re: Firefox has surpassed Chrome on Speedometer

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Firefox is slower for me than Chrome, but that's because I have tab hoarding problem(2k tabs in Firefox right now).

2K? Not bad. My main linux box is running around 7500 tabs in 34 windows right now. Takes about 30s to start, which is fine since that browser gets restarted only every few weeks. My secondary desktop (windows) only has 2750 tabs. And there are users of Firefox out there with >15000 tabs. Two reasons for tab hoarding: 1) spatial -- related tabs are close together (frequently open a bunch of related search results; if…

Do you use TST or anything like that? How do you navigate around that many tabs?

Re: Firefox has surpassed Chrome on Speedometer

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A bunch is reasonable but I’ve seen people here on HN claim to have multiple windows with thousand of tabs on them. That is beyond comprehension for me but if it works for them that’s awesome.

Oh, yeah thousands seems like a lot. But I'm not sure, maybe there's a workflow where that makes sense.

One thing I've noticed since I started using Sideberry extension (a different/better take on Tree Style Tabs) is that after a day or two, the whole tab panel I separated specifically for HN tends to accumulate 100+ tabs. Having them laid out vertically in tiny font makes this apparent in a way that the regular tab bar doesn't.

Fortunately, I also habituated the simple behavior of "If I realize I have a lot of HN tabs open, right-click and close the entire pane". That's how I know I'm clocking about 100 tabs per two days on HN alone.

Also, Sideberry changed my tab hoarding habit in a way that still results in keeping hundreds of tabs, but using them in much more sensible way. I keep them arranged in trees stemming from topical groups on high-level panels, and trim or kill as they're no longer useful. Most of those tabs are unloaded anyway, but the interface works as excellent short-term (days to weeks, sometimes a few months) bookmarking system - and I don't lose tabs anymore (as in knowing the tab is there somewhere, but not being able to find it in the vast sea of other tabs).

Re: Firefox has surpassed Chrome on Speedometer

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Firefox is a great browser and Mozilla is a (generally) great organization. It's my daily driver on all my devices (except my TV ha), it's fast and has great plugins that also work in mobile. Philosophically I'm very much a "root for the underdog" type of person so it makes me happy that way, too. Only very rarely (every few months) am I forced to use Chrome for a site - and in my view, that's a huge ding on the site…

> It's strange hearing reports of "scroll lag" in the other comments. It's possible I'm just lucky. Or there's a misconfiguration somewhere in their setup that Chrome somehow avoids. Don't forget the other possibility: someone using Firefox having internalized this lag as "normal behavior".

I'm pretty sure Firefox defaults to smooth scrolling, which can feel laggy even on reasonably powerful hardware, because animation is its own latency.

Re: Firefox has surpassed Chrome on Speedometer

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Honestly you are the first person I’ve ever heard that prefers chromes tab system. Check out tree style tabs it’ll change your life. I hate chrome now solely due to it

This! But also check out sidebery, in my opinion is much better in every way to tree style

Except in style.. it's on the ugly side.

Re: Firefox has surpassed Chrome on Speedometer

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There was a time when Firefox felt a lot slower than Chromium, but for a few years now it's been close enough (even if still somewhat slower) to not bother me, while Firefox clearly offers superior functionality and much better performance under high load. The last time Chromium has felt attractive compared to Firefox was a really long time ago. Glad to see it moving in the right direction still.

The thing that I really like in Chrome (which I use for work) is Tab Groups. There is nothing like it for Firefox. Even the "Simple Tab Groups" extension, which is well liked, cannot do the simple "grouping" of tabs in a larger window - it simply hides all the tabs that are not in current use (which defeats the purpose of tab groups, I can just use windows for that). Another thing that Chrome has is the ability to na…

I am a longtime and proud Firefox user, but this feature of Chrome is the one thing I want. When I see colleagues using it, it just looks like the right way to tackle that need.

Re: Firefox has surpassed Chrome on Speedometer

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Same. Recently I tried Brave because of all the praise but turns out the browser can only display around 80 tabs on the tab bar and every further tab simply never shows up even if it's in the foreground. I've seen mobile browsers handle many tabs better. I'm staying with Firefox, though I think Brave is probably still a good recommendation for users that don't want to go through the effort of installing an ad blocker…

Not to do a "you're holding it wrong", but why would you want so many tabs that they go offscreen? More precisely, why 100 tabs in 1 window instead of 10 tabs times 10 windows?

Because it's easier to handle? You open a new tab with a mindless Ctrl+T, if I wanted to do some organizing I would clean up my desk instead.

Re: Firefox has surpassed Chrome on Speedometer

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Oh, yeah thousands seems like a lot. But I'm not sure, maybe there's a workflow where that makes sense.

You end up using them as bookmarks of some sort, especially with the search bar doubling as tab search

I'm convinced that a significant proportion of people today don't use bookmarks and have never leveraged their power because they grew up with tabs and never bothered to explore their other options for organizing websites.

You can save all of the tabs of your current session as a bookmark folder in one fell swoop! Your research tabs can be all saved together and opened as a group! Your gift ideas that you won't close because you don't want to forget about them can be saved in a folder named gift ideas so the next time you need them you have them, without the cost of using up your extra RAM and CPU cycles!

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