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Firefox has surpassed Chrome on Speedometer

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Re: Firefox has surpassed Chrome on Speedometer

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post #280

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> I couldn't imagine opening more than a dozen of tabs without it. I can't imagine having more than a dozen tabs open, period. You tab hoarders will never make sense to me...

As a serial tab hoarder, Vimium's SHIFT-T tab fuzzy search is what makes it manageable. : )

Just unfortunate that it does not work across windows for the window hoarders :)

Re: Firefox has surpassed Chrome on Speedometer

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post #286

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The thing that I really like in Chrome (which I use for work) is Tab Groups. There is nothing like it for Firefox. Even the "Simple Tab Groups" extension, which is well liked, cannot do the simple "grouping" of tabs in a larger window - it simply hides all the tabs that are not in current use (which defeats the purpose of tab groups, I can just use windows for that). Another thing that Chrome has is the ability to na…

Honestly you are the first person I’ve ever heard that prefers chromes tab system. Check out tree style tabs it’ll change your life. I hate chrome now solely due to it

This! But also check out sidebery, in my opinion is much better in every way to tree style

Re: Firefox has surpassed Chrome on Speedometer

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This is blowing my mind right now, how do you operate with so many tabs? For me, as soon as I can’t tell which site is in which tab it means I need to close some. And I don’t see the utility of having so many tabs open, since you can obviously only use one at a time. So if you have 100 or 1000 open, most are not being used most of the time, so why not close them? What do you lose from closing tabs versus what do you…

I don't keep hundereds of tabs open, but tabs do serve two purposes that are not covered by either the browser history or by bookmarks. One is as a sort of ad-hoc to-do list. When I leave a tab open it's because something is unfinished and I mean to come back to it soon. (I just wish there was a chronological view so that I could easily delete the oldest tabs). The second purpose is to store the scroll position of lo…

Tabs are the RAM of my TODO list, my README bookmark folder is the disk. Every so many months I purge the README folder, while regretting never really learning Blender, GIMP, SVG, d3, Godot, Rust, Julia, React, Svelte, CSS, shaders, machine learning, wavelets, Ableton, ....

Re: Firefox has surpassed Chrome on Speedometer

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Give Firefox Developer Edition a try, if haven't already, and are looking for more robust development tools.

Looking at https://www.mozilla.org/en-GB/firefox/developer/ I'm a bit confused... Which features are just new features which will soon be in the main Firefox DevTools, and which are specific to installing the Developer Edition?

AFAIK, Firefox Developer Edition is currently just a repackaging of Firefox Beta and doesn’t have different devtools. It used to be a rebranding of Firefox Aurora (an alpha release channel between Firefox Nightly and Beta, now retired) with a different theme and a few different devtool setting changes.

Re: Firefox has surpassed Chrome on Speedometer

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post #69

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> It's strange hearing reports of "scroll lag" in the other comments. It's possible I'm just lucky. Or there's a misconfiguration somewhere in their setup that Chrome somehow avoids. Don't forget the other possibility: someone using Firefox having internalized this lag as "normal behavior".

As an aside, I am very much against this trend of accusing people of "internalizing" a bad thing such that they aren't aware of it. It's using therapy-speak as an ad hominem attack, and in my view reflects poorly on the speaker. Most of the people on HN are software developers and are conversant in a wide variety of tools on many platforms, and certainly I am (one can infer that from my post). So to assert that I sim…

Except people really do internalize lag as "normal behavior". Back when PC monitors were stuck at 60Hz, people would unironically claim that "the human eye can't see more than 60 fps". Of course they changed their tune after experiencing lower input lag

Re: Firefox has surpassed Chrome on Speedometer

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Does this require some special test environment (special OS, special builds of firefox/chrome)? Because for me chrome vs firefox (both 115) - ubuntu desktop: 148(+-2.2) vs 126(+-6.5) - android phone: 95.8(+-2.0) vs 78.5(+-4.3) So it looks like chrome is faster and delivers a more stable performance while firefox is slower and more inconsistent on performance

Adding my anecdotes: on an M2 mac mini

  - chrome 114: 472 ± 30
  - firefox 115: 390 ± 22
  - firefox 117: 420 ± 12

Re: Firefox has surpassed Chrome on Speedometer

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Nice, maybe someday I'll give it another chance. My main gripe is the UX for some things, and how some features seem half-baked.

E.g.: to add a keyword for a search engine, it saves a bookmark, but there isn't (or wasn't) any way to filter for those later if you wanted to check what you had already created

Re: Firefox has surpassed Chrome on Speedometer

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post #176

It would be really bad if everyone used Firefox - just as it would be very bad if everyone used Chrome (or even any other browser based on the same rendering engine). We all absolutely do benefit greatly from having multiple competing browsers and render engines - regardless of which one we individually prefer to use. Therefore I really don't understand the many, many, many "my-browser-is-better-than-yours-you-should…

The problem is the percentage use is so unbalanced right now (IMO due to Google and Microsoft using their other platforms to drive installing their browsers) that I now run across sites that only function in Chrome properly. A lot of devs feel that "Eh, I've targeted the 90+%, why do the rest matter?" and that is how you hand control of web standards to Google. The usage ratio needs to be more balanced to prevent a b…

I regret I have but one thumbs-up to give this comment.

It's important to have at least 2 healthy browsers (in market share). They keep each other honest, if I might put it so tersely. We all remember IE6, and were in danger territory again with the current percentages.

For this reason, personally, Chrome would have to be 2x or more better than Firefox for me to consider switching to it. Do what you can to keep the market diverse.

If the percentages were reversed, I'd absolutely be running Chromium or a variant.

Re: Firefox has surpassed Chrome on Speedometer

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post #186

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> though I think Brave is probably still a good recommendation for users that don't want to go through the effort of installing an ad blocker Is that really the only reason to install Brave? Starting to wonder if I should just set up a Firefox that bundles uBlock Origin by default with a brand new name.

It also has nice privacy centric and QoL features that strip tracking URLs, removes "Open in App" banners and AMP pages + redirects (e.g. old.reddit) for mobile, fingerprint randomisation and of course, will probably be the best Chromium-based browser adblocker post Manifest V3, but yeah you can also spin these features into a bundled Firefox or use one of those Libre* forks which already does most of this afaik.

Brave does some shady shit too: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36735777

Re: Firefox has surpassed Chrome on Speedometer

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There was a time when Firefox felt a lot slower than Chromium, but for a few years now it's been close enough (even if still somewhat slower) to not bother me, while Firefox clearly offers superior functionality and much better performance under high load. The last time Chromium has felt attractive compared to Firefox was a really long time ago. Glad to see it moving in the right direction still.

I used to keep Chrome installed just for the dev tools, but the Firefox dev tools became good enough in probably 2013 or so.

Chrome’s wasm debugging is much better than firefox’s.
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