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Framework Laptop 16 pre-orders are now open

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Re: Framework Laptop 16 pre-orders are now open

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Post by trashcanman »

zmk5 wrote: post #3

Honestly, it was much cheaper than I had assumed it would be. A pre-built "performance" version starts at $1,699 (Ryzen 7 7840HS) with 16GB RAM and 512GB SSD. Compare that to the entry 16 inch MacBook Pro at $2499. The "overkill" system with a Ryzen 9 7940HS, 32GB RAM and 1TB SSD is $2099. A pseudo comparison to the 16 inch MacBook Pro with M2 Pro, 32GB RAM and a 1TB SSD is $3099. Also these systems are cheaper if do…

No compare it to the MBA 15 w 512GB SSD and 16GB RAM upgrades and the 70W charger from their educational store + $150 gift card offer. $1575 inc Cali tax

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Post by nrp »

Pet_Ant wrote: post #10
neilv wrote: post #6

If they get a keyboard option with proper TrackPoint (including the design and positioning of the buttons), they can convert some ThinkPad devotees.

I'd personally love to see an ortholinear layout option. I cannot go back after my Moonlander (like serious, I lost the ability to touch type on staggered). (Assuming they don't, won't load for me)

We've been working with Jack at OLKB on figuring out how to enable additional keyboard layout types. Since there is a broad range of different layout preferences, our goal is to make it easy for third party keyboard makers (like OLKB) to be able to create their own compatible keyboard modules.

Re: Framework Laptop 16 pre-orders are now open

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Post by nrp »

Deukhoofd wrote: post #9
yellow_lead wrote: post #4

Their servers are overloaded [1] [1] https://twitter.com/FrameworkPuter/status/168132220662488268... Not to create FOMO, but I would expect these to go quickly then.

Apparently the first batch is sold out already, so yes, it's definitely going quickly

This is both the most server load we've ever seen and the fastest order throughput we've seen. It is genuinely difficult to gauge ahead of time.

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Post by wilsonnb3 »

sylens wrote: post #8

I think the missing piece here would be the desktop version of Steam OS. All the other components are in place for a stellar gaming laptop

You can install steamOS on it if you want, it is just a Linux distro like any other.

Not sure why you would want to though, there are plenty of good Linux distros available and Windows is a much better choice for gaming if you don't need handheld specific features.

Re: Framework Laptop 16 pre-orders are now open

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Post by mschild »

Maybe someone from framework or knowledge of this area can explain this, but I'm a bit baffled by the price difference between the prebuilt and DIY editions.

LinusTechTips recently did a tour of one of the assembly stations in Taiwan. The DIY editions are fully assembled, tested, then disassembled, and put into packages. Considering that DIY has an additional labour intensive step, how come they're so much cheaper? Shouldn't the prebuilt ones be cheaper because they have less labour involved?

https://youtu.be/7nXVJBGowmY&t=10m33s

Re: Framework Laptop 16 pre-orders are now open

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Post by Thoeu388 »

> The back two slots on each side can take up to 240W power input over USB-C using USB-PD 3.1.

I would like an option for normal barrel jack power connector. I found USB-C power delivery very unreliable and not universal. For many applications (Pi4, Rock5) you are limited to original makers power adapter. Framework in this case is using very new PD spec to deliver 180W, so I assume it will be the same.

There is also power renegotiation, when voltage drops to zero for couple of seconds. This board is also supposed to operate without batteries!

With barrel plug I just need to know diameter and voltage. I already have many adapters, or power sources. Much easier to operate.

All minipcs (minisforum, beeling) come with barrel plug and USB PD.

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Post by ceearrbee »

trashcanman wrote: post #11
zmk5 wrote: post #3

Honestly, it was much cheaper than I had assumed it would be. A pre-built "performance" version starts at $1,699 (Ryzen 7 7840HS) with 16GB RAM and 512GB SSD. Compare that to the entry 16 inch MacBook Pro at $2499. The "overkill" system with a Ryzen 9 7940HS, 32GB RAM and 1TB SSD is $2099. A pseudo comparison to the 16 inch MacBook Pro with M2 Pro, 32GB RAM and a 1TB SSD is $3099. Also these systems are cheaper if do…

No compare it to the MBA 15 w 512GB SSD and 16GB RAM upgrades and the 70W charger from their educational store + $150 gift card offer. $1575 inc Cali tax

Are they not referring to the default price which is available to all?

Adding all those situational discounts is not a fair comparison since it requires a very specific set of circumstances to achieve it.

Re: Framework Laptop 16 pre-orders are now open

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Post by nrp »

Thoeu388 wrote: post #18

> The back two slots on each side can take up to 240W power input over USB-C using USB-PD 3.1. I would like an option for normal barrel jack power connector. I found USB-C power delivery very unreliable and not universal. For many applications (Pi4, Rock5) you are limited to original makers power adapter. Framework in this case is using very new PD spec to deliver 180W, so I assume it will be the same. There is also…

We're using the USB-PD 3.1 standard and are testing for compatibility. We haven't seen issues when testing with other compliant USB-PD 3.1 adapters.
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