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Post by samstave »

ugh wrote: post #159
veyron wrote: post #149

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What are your thoughts about AT&T crippling unlimited data customers going over a specified limit (iirc 3GB)?

Depends. I don’t care about it if it’s clearly stated just how much bandwidth you get. I’m not in the US but in Germany carriers will often tell you they have unlimited flatrate plans but also state that if you go above a certain bandwidth use you will be throttled to GPRS speeds. I have no problem with that. It depends on how clearly it’s communicated. I can see how others may be misled by that marketing, though, so…

@UGH

My problem isn't about "you know what you're getting, it's clearly communicated"

My anger is because THERE IS NO FUCKING UNLIMITED PLAN AT ALL

We are on HN, I have been on the internet DAILY for 15 years now. EVERY SINGLE DAY for many hours.

As a travelling consultant, I rely heavily on mobile access to the internet.

The fact that I had an unlimited account in the past - but now that speeds are getting acceptable, they are crippling them by cost.

It is corporate greed and it is bullshit.

Re: Apple releases Ipad 3

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Post by pilsetnieks »

nextparadigms wrote: post #92
huggyface wrote: post #62

I have four Android smartphones and two tablets, but this is the first Apple product that has really opened my wallet. Literally, my wallet is sitting open. But their store keeps crashing and going back to the offline state. Called their phone sales and they couldn't help me because they use the online system to enter orders. :-) Ah well, I'll get one soon enough.

What is it about it that made you want it so much? There will be Android tablets with just as high or higher resolution very soon, and with stronger CPU's than the still dual core Cortex A9 chip in the iPad 3.

It's like the megahertz war from way back when - you might have a CPU with 100% more megahertz but you're still using windows.

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Post by schiffern »

jiggy2011 wrote: post #141
runako wrote: post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think this is one way Apple brings their marketing in line with how average consumers think. Most non-gadget people don't know the difference between the iPhone 4, 4S, and 3GS , other than price. They assume the more expensive one is better and does more stuff. But model numbers (even if it's just a single number) are not the way most consumers think. Similarly, the iPhone 4S simply says "iPhone" on the back and is…

I'm not sure , sticking numbers after something is a fairly universal thing. Movies, video games and most software has been doing this for a while.

The farther away from this Samsung Galaxy S II Epic 4G Touch nonsense, the happier I'll be.

I think the reason people misattribute Apple's success to marketing is because everyone else's marketing is just godawful.

And no, I didn't make that name up.

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Post by ugh »

samstave wrote: post #171
ugh wrote: post #159

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Depends. I don’t care about it if it’s clearly stated just how much bandwidth you get. I’m not in the US but in Germany carriers will often tell you they have unlimited flatrate plans but also state that if you go above a certain bandwidth use you will be throttled to GPRS speeds. I have no problem with that. It depends on how clearly it’s communicated. I can see how others may be misled by that marketing, though, so…

@UGH My problem isn't about "you know what you're getting, it's clearly communicated" My anger is because THERE IS NO FUCKING UNLIMITED PLAN AT ALL We are on HN, I have been on the internet DAILY for 15 years now. EVERY SINGLE DAY for many hours. As a travelling consultant, I rely heavily on mobile access to the internet. The fact that I had an unlimited account in the past - but now that speeds are getting acceptabl…

Maybe they can’t give you an unlimited plan? Data is seriously expensive for the carriers.

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Post by michaelbuckbee »

Aloisius wrote: post #10

It should be noted that the limited data plans for both AT&T and Verizon mean that at the max 4G speed of 73 Mbps, you could use all your bandwidth for the entire month in less than three and a half minutes (2 GB plan). The overages of $10/GB per month on both services mean once you go over your plan, you'll be looking at a little over $5/minute in new charges. It is possible (though highly unlikely) to rack up over…

Inelegant, but you could get a Sprint Mobile hotspot and use it (and 4 other devices) with their 4G unlimited plan.

Re: Apple releases Ipad 3

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Post by joejohnson »

Confusion wrote: post #162
joejohnson wrote: post #106

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I think it's just called the iPad. Right now it's new, so they're referring to it as the "new iPad". This naming convention is simpler that appending a hardware version number to the name at each refresh. Also, it's what Apple currently does with most of their other product lines. It's the MacBook Pro, not the MacBook Pro 3. The iPods were always called just that, an iPod. People referred to them as the nth generatio…

Macbooks are versioned. The versions people refer to are 'mid 2007', 'late 2008', etc. iPods are also versioned. People refer to their '4G iPod shuffle' or their '2G iPod touch'

Right, customers call them that, but Apple calls their products iPods and MacBooks when they are selling them. The names are simply "iPod", etc. The hardware revision number is only used when need to disambiguate.

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Post by thatjoshguy »

Confusion wrote: post #162
joejohnson wrote: post #106

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think it's just called the iPad. Right now it's new, so they're referring to it as the "new iPad". This naming convention is simpler that appending a hardware version number to the name at each refresh. Also, it's what Apple currently does with most of their other product lines. It's the MacBook Pro, not the MacBook Pro 3. The iPods were always called just that, an iPod. People referred to them as the nth generatio…

Macbooks are versioned. The versions people refer to are 'mid 2007', 'late 2008', etc. iPods are also versioned. People refer to their '4G iPod shuffle' or their '2G iPod touch'

But that's not the actual product name, as used by Apple publicly.

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Post by philwelch »

guelo wrote: post #60

The world of LCD panels baffles me. For some reason Apple can sell an iPad with a 2048x1536 IPS screen for $500 but your average $1,000 laptop comes with a crappy 1366x768 TFT screen or maybe 1920x1080 if you're lucky.

Apple can commit to shipping millions of iPads and makes procurement decisions based on that fact. You're talking about the company that buys a significant proportion of the world's NAND flash production preordered a year ahead of time. iPad has enough economy of scale that as soon as Apple found a display manufacturer able and willing to manufacture the screen they wanted, they immediately promised a large enough preorder to make it cost-effective. Remember, Apple ships more iPads than any PC manufacturer ships total units, and all those iPads use the same parts.

So in case you were wondering why Apple keeps obscene piles of cash around, that's why.

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Post by matwood »

schiffern wrote: post #155
tomkarlo wrote: post #85

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I believe folks have already seen evidence in OSX that Apple will be doing "retina" displays for laptops and desktops. Continued movement towards a resolution-independent OS.

Actually, I see this as the abandonment of resolution independence. Apple has always been about pixel-perfect graphics, and that's quite hard to do with vector assets. Fonts have to have all sorts of hinting to get single-pixel risers and joins to look decent. That's one of the reasons that fonts are so costly – now imagine that all your graphics require that level of care. Making pixel-perfect "@2x" graphics is much…

Actually, I see this as the abandonment of resolution independence.

I was thinking the same thing. It's amusing to think that Apple found resolution independence harder than waiting for/making panels quadruple in size. Certainly good for marketing though :)

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Post by ericd »

allwein wrote: post #116
ericd wrote: post #102

I'm always kind of surprised that the online store doesn't update instantly. I have to imagine that their "We'll be back soon" splash page kills a lot of potential impulse purchases. It seems to be back now, but the iPhone is showing "From $0", and clicking on the iPad gives an "Oops" error page. Couldn't this all be worked out in staging?

> It seems to be back now, but the iPhone is showing "From $0" This is actually the correct pricing for the iPhone, since the 3GS is available free when signing up for a 2-year plan from AT&T.

Ah interesting, thanks for the correction, it's been too long since I've bought one of those. I didn't realize that they were even supporting the 3GS anymore, let alone selling it.
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