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Firefox has surpassed Chrome on Speedometer

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Re: Firefox has surpassed Chrome on Speedometer

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Post by saberience »

alpaca128 wrote: post #162
backendanon wrote: post #147

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm old and I code for a living, I have maybe at most a dozen tabs open on any day. I can't imagine needing 80 but now I see why chrome has that new search tabs drop down.

On my main Firefox profile I'm rarely below 1000 tabs. I also use them as bookmarks and backlog, and every couple of months I scroll through the entire tab bar and close everything unimportant. The address bar also searches all open tabs and lets me jump to matches.

This is blowing my mind right now, how do you operate with so many tabs? For me, as soon as I can’t tell which site is in which tab it means I need to close some. And I don’t see the utility of having so many tabs open, since you can obviously only use one at a time. So if you have 100 or 1000 open, most are not being used most of the time, so why not close them?

What do you lose from closing tabs versus what do you gain from keeping them open? For me, if I use a site open it’s bookmarked or already in history so it’s fast to reopen. Closing tabs keeps my machine fast and memory usage low and also makes me faster at switching between the open tabs as I don’t need to search or parse through many UI bits.

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Post by seba_dos1 »

terafo wrote: post #107
seba_dos1 wrote: post #17

There was a time when Firefox felt a lot slower than Chromium, but for a few years now it's been close enough (even if still somewhat slower) to not bother me, while Firefox clearly offers superior functionality and much better performance under high load. The last time Chromium has felt attractive compared to Firefox was a really long time ago. Glad to see it moving in the right direction still.

Firefox is slower for me than Chrome, but that's because I have tab hoarding problem(2k tabs in Firefox right now).

Not sure how it works now, but 2k tabs in Chrome used to be outright impossible on any reasonable hardware anyway, while Firefox always handled it pretty well aside of slowdowns ;)

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Post by beltsazar »

seba_dos1 wrote: post #17

There was a time when Firefox felt a lot slower than Chromium, but for a few years now it's been close enough (even if still somewhat slower) to not bother me, while Firefox clearly offers superior functionality and much better performance under high load. The last time Chromium has felt attractive compared to Firefox was a really long time ago. Glad to see it moving in the right direction still.

I switched to Firefox from Chrome years ago because Chrome was slower. Specially, when there were many tabs opened, switching tabs in Chrome were usually prefaced with a blank white screen for about 2 seconds.

I've been staying with Firefox not for the performance (today Chrome loads Google sites like YouTube faster), but mainly for Tree Style Tab extension. I couldn't imagine opening more than a dozen of tabs without it.

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Post by kevincox »

kdklol wrote: post #164
wintermutestwin wrote: post #71

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>Firefox's Container Tabs is hard for me to imagine losing. Yes, and the lack of a viable vertical tabs solution for Chrome (though some Chrome based browsers have native implementations). I am baffled how anyone could still be using horizontal tabs as it is clearly inferior. I am also annoyed as hell that it is not native in Firefox.

As a person who habitualy closes everything, I often average around 5 tabs open, rarely going above 10. With so few open at a time, the giant column of vertical space for the tab tree would be a waste of screen real estate, which can be better utilized to open another window i a vertical split arangement, or just for the website's content. Having said that, I know one of my friends has always at minimum 100 tabs open…

I'm the same. In the rare case I do have a lot of tabs open it tends to be a queue that I work through in order anyways so having them not fit on screen isn't a problem. My theory is that once I get over 20 tabs or so it will be quicker to just re-open the document (just type a few words in the URL bar and history-search will find it) than actually locate and click it. I'm glad that Firefox is flexible enough for tab hoarders and tab closers. Having a horizontal tab bar that doesn't take up too much space is perfect for me.

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Post by CmdrKrool »

aidenn0 wrote: post #146
bayindirh wrote: post #56

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Anything you can "time nslookup" in or under 0.03 seconds (in "real" terms). From my desk: local one - 0.029 seconds 1.1.1.1 - 0.035 seconds 8.8.8.8 - 0.120 seconds Normally it should be, but Firefox's behavior is very sensitive to DNS response speed. Sounds not intuitive, but I think they're not using glibc's caching, or doing something by themselves.

In the past, at least, firefox has done its own caching since expiring my OS dns cache was insufficient to get it to pick up a change in DNS.

Good reason to avoid Firefox for development imo. Nothing is more annoying than mysterious cache interventions when you're trying to get a handle on an unrelated problem.

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Post by CWuestefeld »

twic wrote: post #180
coldpie wrote: post #178

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Just curious, what does that UI look like with 1,000 tabs open? Isn't it just like, one pixel per tab, or a scrollbar 50 times wider than your monitor? Is that actually useful?

That may be a reference to this classic Firefox extension: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-GB/firefox/addon/tree-style-ta...

If it weren't for TreeStyleTab, the browser would be barely usable for me. This is the biggest reason that I won't use Chrome at all, and stay away from Edge.

Re: Firefox has surpassed Chrome on Speedometer

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Post by pdanpdan »

pdanpdan wrote: post #133

Does this require some special test environment (special OS, special builds of firefox/chrome)? Because for me chrome vs firefox (both 115) - ubuntu desktop: 148(+-2.2) vs 126(+-6.5) - android phone: 95.8(+-2.0) vs 78.5(+-4.3) So it looks like chrome is faster and delivers a more stable performance while firefox is slower and more inconsistent on performance

Small update: Firefox 117 on Android phone 75.4(+-6.4) so still there

Re: Firefox has surpassed Chrome on Speedometer

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Post by BearOso »

systems_glitch wrote: post #63
javajosh wrote: post #50

Firefox is a great browser and Mozilla is a (generally) great organization. It's my daily driver on all my devices (except my TV ha), it's fast and has great plugins that also work in mobile. Philosophically I'm very much a "root for the underdog" type of person so it makes me happy that way, too. Only very rarely (every few months) am I forced to use Chrome for a site - and in my view, that's a huge ding on the site…

Same. Been using it since it was called Camino then Firebird, a confusing namespace collision :P

Camino was actually a separate, but similar slim-down project for Mac. It had Mac OS Cocoa controls, so it fit in better.

Camino was originally named Chimera. It was started by Dave Hyatt, the guy who went to Apple to build Safari and WebKit, which Chrome now uses.

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