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Firefox has surpassed Chrome on Speedometer

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Re: Firefox has surpassed Chrome on Speedometer

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Post by RVRX »

javajosh wrote: post #50

Firefox is a great browser and Mozilla is a (generally) great organization. It's my daily driver on all my devices (except my TV ha), it's fast and has great plugins that also work in mobile. Philosophically I'm very much a "root for the underdog" type of person so it makes me happy that way, too. Only very rarely (every few months) am I forced to use Chrome for a site - and in my view, that's a huge ding on the site…

> Only very rarely (every few months) am I forced to use Chrome for a site - and in my view, that's a huge ding on the site devs, not on Firefox.

I find this very common with Credit Card and Banking Sites. Very often they either refuse to log me in or log me out sooner than they should on Firefox, or certain pages within the site will just not load. I'm guessing they prioritize security, and only test this stuff in Chrome ;(

Re: Firefox has surpassed Chrome on Speedometer

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Post by seba_dos1 »

NavinF wrote: post #199
andybak wrote: post #145

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I've seen mobile browsers handle many tabs better. It's my understanding that on mobile, tabs are unloaded from memory nearly instantly. You lose state but they use almost no resources. (I wish this was an option out of the box on Desktop. I've had extensions that do this and it's a godsend)

Chrome already does that by default: https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2023/02/chrome-110-will-auto...

Firefox did for about two years now: https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/unload-inactive-tabs-sa...

Re: Firefox has surpassed Chrome on Speedometer

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Post by djbusby »

dom96 wrote: post #186
alpaca128 wrote: post #91

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Same. Recently I tried Brave because of all the praise but turns out the browser can only display around 80 tabs on the tab bar and every further tab simply never shows up even if it's in the foreground. I've seen mobile browsers handle many tabs better. I'm staying with Firefox, though I think Brave is probably still a good recommendation for users that don't want to go through the effort of installing an ad blocker…

> though I think Brave is probably still a good recommendation for users that don't want to go through the effort of installing an ad blocker Is that really the only reason to install Brave? Starting to wonder if I should just set up a Firefox that bundles uBlock Origin by default with a brand new name.

Work with libreFox?

https://github.com/intika/Librefox

Or LibreWolf?

https://librewolf.net/

Re: Firefox has surpassed Chrome on Speedometer

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Post by NavinF »

backendanon wrote: post #147
alpaca128 wrote: post #91

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Same. Recently I tried Brave because of all the praise but turns out the browser can only display around 80 tabs on the tab bar and every further tab simply never shows up even if it's in the foreground. I've seen mobile browsers handle many tabs better. I'm staying with Firefox, though I think Brave is probably still a good recommendation for users that don't want to go through the effort of installing an ad blocker…

I'm old and I code for a living, I have maybe at most a dozen tabs open on any day. I can't imagine needing 80 but now I see why chrome has that new search tabs drop down.

I usually have 600 tabs across several windows and desktops. Doesn't hurt performance if you have 64G or more so the real question is "why not?". Switching to an open tab using title text search is way faster than opening a bookmark

Re: Firefox has surpassed Chrome on Speedometer

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Post by jodrellblank »

Sayrus wrote: post #161
jodrellblank wrote: post #95

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"I prefer the way this vendor does things" is not vendor lockin. "I hate the way this vendor does things, but I'm locked in and can't leave" is vendor lockin.

I'd argue that "I prefer the way this vendor does things and I can't leave" is still vendor lock-in. There may be different reasons as to why you can't leave, even if it is just personal preferences. Google can offer this because you are using a single, fairly unified, ecosystem and they own both your account and browser. However, this ecosystem does not offer interoperability so you are effectively locked-in. Ironic…

I'd argue that that's ridiculous. "The door is closed and locked and I can't leave" is so very very different from "the door is open and I can leave but I prefer it inside" that calling the second "being locked in" is an insult to people who actually are locked in.

Vendor lockin is where the vendor does things to lock you in, such as "Google made it so my Chromebook can only run Chrome", or "Google made it so my GMail only works in Chrome". Lockin generally is when people other than the vendor do things to lock you in, "Meta made WhatsApp web only work in Chrome", "My bank website only works in Chrome".

"The vendor made a more integrated, better, product and I prefer it" is not lockin of any kind, that's ordinary competition.

Re: Firefox has surpassed Chrome on Speedometer

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Post by pdanpdan »

gorhill wrote: post #172
pdanpdan wrote: post #133

Does this require some special test environment (special OS, special builds of firefox/chrome)? Because for me chrome vs firefox (both 115) - ubuntu desktop: 148(+-2.2) vs 126(+-6.5) - android phone: 95.8(+-2.0) vs 78.5(+-4.3) So it looks like chrome is faster and delivers a more stable performance while firefox is slower and more inconsistent on performance

Extensions can have a measurable effect on the benchmark, be sure both browsers have no extension, or the same extensions with the same configuration.

Chrome has ublock and very few others, Firefox only ublock

I suppose it is about nightly 117

Re: Firefox has surpassed Chrome on Speedometer

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Post by sebzim4500 »

guillim85 wrote: post #123
terafo wrote: post #107

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Firefox is slower for me than Chrome, but that's because I have tab hoarding problem(2k tabs in Firefox right now).

Close them all today. It will feel weird for like 1 hour, but you will feel much better after.

>It will feel weird for like 1 hour, but you will feel much better after.

Yeah, because he'll be back to up hundreds of tabs again.

Re: Firefox has surpassed Chrome on Speedometer

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Post by zdragnar »

markandrewj wrote: post #83
emsixteen wrote: post #36

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I use it, but just don't like the devtools. Or moreso miss some things from Chrome/Edge.

Give Firefox Developer Edition a try, if haven't already, and are looking for more robust development tools.

Maybe I was just unlucky, but the one time I tried it, it refused to launch.

I'd rather not have my professional work tools be built against a beta channel when there are better alternatives.

Re: Firefox has surpassed Chrome on Speedometer

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Post by kevincox »

otabdeveloper4 wrote: post #28
xd1936 wrote: post #8

I've used Firefox as my primary browser since the "Quantum" in 2017. Chrome still feels snappier, but Firefox's Container Tabs is hard for me to imagine losing.

> Chrome still feels snappier I actually tested this and Firefox is significantly faster in rendering CSS and tables. (Not sure about complex Javascript.) Chrome's snappiness is mostly UI smoke and mirrors, actual sites load faster for me in Firefox.

Yup. I found that Firefox does incredibly well at long text documents and tables. I remember that Google's internal source code browser would warn you if you tried to open a "large" file (I don't remember what the threshold was). However with Firefox the files always opened fine and things like scrolling performed well. I thought the warning was just a relic of an earlier time. However I realized that my colleagues using Chrome would actually respect this warning and download the file to open it in a text editor. Testing showed that the files would truly grind Chrome to a halt. It seems that Chrome still has a performance edge on highly dynamic content but Firefox does appear to be significantly better at large pages of mostly-static content like long HTML and text documents.
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