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Firefox has surpassed Chrome on Speedometer

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Re: Firefox has surpassed Chrome on Speedometer

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post #32

See also https://arewefastyet.com .

Really cool how you can see Firefox speed enhancements showing up in discrete steps. I am surprised to see Chrome faster than Chromium. What is google doing in their branded flavor?

Probably PGO.

Even prebuilt Firefox tend to be faster than distro provided ones, at least at some point on the past.

Re: Firefox has surpassed Chrome on Speedometer

#192

There was a time when Firefox felt a lot slower than Chromium, but for a few years now it's been close enough (even if still somewhat slower) to not bother me, while Firefox clearly offers superior functionality and much better performance under high load. The last time Chromium has felt attractive compared to Firefox was a really long time ago. Glad to see it moving in the right direction still.

TL;DR: Windows Defender had a bug that made certain system calls expensive on CPU cycles when Defender's Real-time Protection feature is enabled. After discovery, Mozilla reported this issue to Microsoft. Microsoft is releasing a patch that should result in lower CPU usage when using Firefox on sites like YouTube (a ~75% CPU usage reduction was noted when browsing YouTube in Firefox with the fixed version of Defender).

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35458746

Re: Firefox has surpassed Chrome on Speedometer

#193
post #176

It would be really bad if everyone used Firefox - just as it would be very bad if everyone used Chrome (or even any other browser based on the same rendering engine). We all absolutely do benefit greatly from having multiple competing browsers and render engines - regardless of which one we individually prefer to use. Therefore I really don't understand the many, many, many "my-browser-is-better-than-yours-you-should…

The problem is the percentage use is so unbalanced right now (IMO due to Google and Microsoft using their other platforms to drive installing their browsers) that I now run across sites that only function in Chrome properly. A lot of devs feel that "Eh, I've targeted the 90+%, why do the rest matter?" and that is how you hand control of web standards to Google. The usage ratio needs to be more balanced to prevent a browser monopoly, hence people trying to ensure there continues to be a choice.

Re: Firefox has surpassed Chrome on Speedometer

#194
post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I use it, but just don't like the devtools. Or moreso miss some things from Chrome/Edge.

For me it's the opposite. Firefox's dev tools feel better. What things are missing?

One of the reasons I stopped using Firefox was that the columns in the devtools were unexpandable. I couldn’t see any data past what Firefox decided was enough to show. Did they fix this?

Re: Firefox has surpassed Chrome on Speedometer

#195
post #176

It would be really bad if everyone used Firefox - just as it would be very bad if everyone used Chrome (or even any other browser based on the same rendering engine). We all absolutely do benefit greatly from having multiple competing browsers and render engines - regardless of which one we individually prefer to use. Therefore I really don't understand the many, many, many "my-browser-is-better-than-yours-you-should…

Browser wars are almost as old as the internet. There was even a time when people would put little rectangle animated gifs at the bottom of their websites saying things like "Best viewed with Netscape!" or "MSIE SUX!" or "Best Viewed with MSIE!" and then after a while those evolved into memes and then they vanished. There would be flamewars on Usenet about which browser is better. It isn't just browsers. There's tabs-vs-spaces. Scripting language vs scripting language. Meat vs plants. I think this would be best answered by a psychologist. I am curious what the personal preference wars will look like in another 20 years. Maybe "Real human skin vs. synthetic skin on my LoveDroid!"

Re: Firefox has surpassed Chrome on Speedometer

#196

There was a time when Firefox felt a lot slower than Chromium, but for a few years now it's been close enough (even if still somewhat slower) to not bother me, while Firefox clearly offers superior functionality and much better performance under high load. The last time Chromium has felt attractive compared to Firefox was a really long time ago. Glad to see it moving in the right direction still.

TL;DR: Windows Defender had a bug that made certain system calls expensive on CPU cycles when Defender's Real-time Protection feature is enabled. After discovery, Mozilla reported this issue to Microsoft. Microsoft is releasing a patch that should result in lower CPU usage when using Firefox on sites like YouTube (a ~75% CPU usage reduction was noted when browsing YouTube in Firefox with the fixed version of Defender…

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Re: Firefox has surpassed Chrome on Speedometer

#198
post #64

There was a time when Firefox felt a lot slower than Chromium, but for a few years now it's been close enough (even if still somewhat slower) to not bother me, while Firefox clearly offers superior functionality and much better performance under high load. The last time Chromium has felt attractive compared to Firefox was a really long time ago. Glad to see it moving in the right direction still.

For me, Firefox performs better on Linux than on Windows.

This is true of a lot of things.

Re: Firefox has surpassed Chrome on Speedometer

#199

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Same. Recently I tried Brave because of all the praise but turns out the browser can only display around 80 tabs on the tab bar and every further tab simply never shows up even if it's in the foreground. I've seen mobile browsers handle many tabs better. I'm staying with Firefox, though I think Brave is probably still a good recommendation for users that don't want to go through the effort of installing an ad blocker…

> I've seen mobile browsers handle many tabs better. It's my understanding that on mobile, tabs are unloaded from memory nearly instantly. You lose state but they use almost no resources. (I wish this was an option out of the box on Desktop. I've had extensions that do this and it's a godsend)

Chrome already does that by default: https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2023/02/chrome-110-will-auto...

Re: Firefox has surpassed Chrome on Speedometer

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post #176

It would be really bad if everyone used Firefox - just as it would be very bad if everyone used Chrome (or even any other browser based on the same rendering engine). We all absolutely do benefit greatly from having multiple competing browsers and render engines - regardless of which one we individually prefer to use. Therefore I really don't understand the many, many, many "my-browser-is-better-than-yours-you-should…

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