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Firefox has surpassed Chrome on Speedometer

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Re: Firefox has surpassed Chrome on Speedometer

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Post by wintermutestwin »

xd1936 wrote: post #8

I've used Firefox as my primary browser since the "Quantum" in 2017. Chrome still feels snappier, but Firefox's Container Tabs is hard for me to imagine losing.

>Firefox's Container Tabs is hard for me to imagine losing.

Yes, and the lack of a viable vertical tabs solution for Chrome (though some Chrome based browsers have native implementations).

I am baffled how anyone could still be using horizontal tabs as it is clearly inferior. I am also annoyed as hell that it is not native in Firefox.

Re: Firefox has surpassed Chrome on Speedometer

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Post by wackget »

javajosh wrote: post #50

Firefox is a great browser and Mozilla is a (generally) great organization. It's my daily driver on all my devices (except my TV ha), it's fast and has great plugins that also work in mobile. Philosophically I'm very much a "root for the underdog" type of person so it makes me happy that way, too. Only very rarely (every few months) am I forced to use Chrome for a site - and in my view, that's a huge ding on the site…

What do you find lacking in Firefox dev tools? For me I actually prefer them to Chrome.

Re: Firefox has surpassed Chrome on Speedometer

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Post by justinclift »

wackget wrote: post #68
justinclift wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Firefox does the same thing too unfortunately, and it doesn't seem like it can be turned off. It's a real pita for the same reason. Needed to look at browser history older than a few months and discovering it's all been deleted (by Firefox) was a very unpleasant experience. Seems to be a needless data loss "optimisation" (sic), but I have no idea what the real world use case for that would be.

Not sure if I've done anything special but I've got history going back to 2021.

Interesting. That gives me hope that there might indeed be a setting to change the behaviour. Thanks. :)

Re: Firefox has surpassed Chrome on Speedometer

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Post by nicce »

wackget wrote: post #66
emsixteen wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I use it, but just don't like the devtools. Or moreso miss some things from Chrome/Edge.

For me it's the opposite. Firefox's dev tools feel better. What things are missing?

On Chromium touch screen emulation feels much better.

Re: Firefox has surpassed Chrome on Speedometer

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Post by 5e92cb50239222b »

EVa5I7bHFq9mnYK wrote: post #53
bayindirh wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Chrome's most of the snappiness is coming from how it handles the DNS queries internally from my experience. Pair Firefox with a fast DNS, and it's noticably faster than Chrome, for the last 3 years or so. I discovered it accidentally, after switching to local DNS at the office. We run one of the nation-wide ones in a pretty close proximity in network terms.

which is a fast DNS? 1.1.1.1 ? I thought the OS caches DNS anyway, so shouldn't matter much in day to day browsing.

Depends on your region and what sites you're using. I live in the middle of nowhere far from civilization, and 1.1.1.1 returns terrible IPs for many sites including google.com (which pings at 350-400 ms if you resolve it through 1.1.1.1, but at 90-100 ms if you're using any other resolver). They do it because they block EDNS0 in order to protect your privacy or something like that.

So I use 8.8.8.8 and 9.9.9.9 in parallel through dnsmasq. Whoever responds the first wins. If you're not stuck in the middle of nowhere, you're probably better off with the latter as it's somewhat more trustworthy than Google.

https://quad9.net/

Re: Firefox has surpassed Chrome on Speedometer

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Post by lillecarl »

flerchin wrote: post #45
e4m2 wrote: post #32

See also https://arewefastyet.com .

Really cool how you can see Firefox speed enhancements showing up in discrete steps. I am surprised to see Chrome faster than Chromium. What is google doing in their branded flavor?

On windows you can speed chromium up by renaming it to chrome.exe so it gets special treatment by antivirus software.

Re: Firefox has surpassed Chrome on Speedometer

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Post by bayindirh »

5e92cb50239222b wrote: post #75
EVa5I7bHFq9mnYK wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

which is a fast DNS? 1.1.1.1 ? I thought the OS caches DNS anyway, so shouldn't matter much in day to day browsing.

Depends on your region and what sites you're using. I live in the middle of nowhere far from civilization, and 1.1.1.1 returns terrible IPs for many sites including google.com (which pings at 350-400 ms if you resolve it through 1.1.1.1, but at 90-100 ms if you're using any other resolver). They do it because they block EDNS0 in order to protect your privacy or something like that. So I use 8.8.8.8 and 9.9.9.9 in par…

Isn't enabling "query all DNS servers in parallel" discouraged in DNSMasq?

Instead I increase the directory size to 4K and be done with it.

Re: Firefox has surpassed Chrome on Speedometer

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Post by zelphirkalt »

bayindirh wrote: post #48
xd1936 wrote: post #8

I've used Firefox as my primary browser since the "Quantum" in 2017. Chrome still feels snappier, but Firefox's Container Tabs is hard for me to imagine losing.

Chrome's most of the snappiness is coming from how it handles the DNS queries internally from my experience. Pair Firefox with a fast DNS, and it's noticably faster than Chrome, for the last 3 years or so. I discovered it accidentally, after switching to local DNS at the office. We run one of the nation-wide ones in a pretty close proximity in network terms.

I recently noticed something similar, when I had to enable DoH (unfortunately Cloudflare — good that this thing lives in a separate browser profile) to reach atlassian websites. Suddenly the pages loaded faster than without DoH. Still not sure what changed on my system (nothing?) or what my ISP did so that I could no longer resolve those websites, but at least DoH solved the problem for me.

Re: Firefox has surpassed Chrome on Speedometer

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Post by dz0ny »

I don't know but inspect tools just irritate me soo much in Firefox that I don't like to use the browser then at all. I started my career in Firefox and still remember you had to have an extension for debugging HTML, the editing style was fun and useful.

My usage changed a lot from then, now I need:

- Tracing graph for network events in Firefox which it does not have.

- Applications tab that would show me the status of workers, cache ... is just plain in Firefox

- And UI seems condensed, I guess I just got used to a more relaxed Chrome.

- The whole debacle we don't want you to install a web app as a shortcut because it's bad for some reason. (They lost me initially with this years ago when I still had Linux).

It's a shame but Firefox is just not what I need and prefer anymore.

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