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Re: The force that shapes everything around us: Parking

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Post by ehaliewicz2 »

josephcsible wrote: post #28
the_snooze wrote: post #22

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You're describing urban environments. A lot of people live in those places already. But a lot of people prefer to live elsewhere. Differences in preference is fine. What doesn't make sense though is driving in urban environments, especially single-occupant vehicles that make up the vast majority of motor traffic in major cities. Keep the suburbs. But I think it'd be good to make cities painful to drive in for all but…

> it'd be good to make cities painful to drive in This is the wrong approach. Don't intentionally make driving worse for anyone, anywhere, ever. If you want people to use transit instead, then improve it until it's a better option than driving is today.

Making roads narrower e.g. in residential areas, causes drivers to slow down, making it more safe for everyone.

Re: The force that shapes everything around us: Parking

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Post by rahkiin »

CalRobert wrote: post #31
TeeWEE wrote: post #5

Come to the Netherlands. Sell your car. Buy a bike. A car is not really a status symbol here. Its more like a liability.

We arrive August 2nd. What would you recommend for newcomers? We've signed up with the gemeente and our daughters have spots in the Taalschool. Any ideas on how to meet people?

Sports (your own or of your children), school (parent gatherings, extra activities involving parents) are great ways to meet people that are even in your age group.

Get yourself bikes asap, also your children. No need for electrical bikes generally (depends on where you are going to live).

Re: The force that shapes everything around us: Parking

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Post by sleepybrett »

MezzoDelCammin wrote: post #21
pc86 wrote: post #9

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For what percentage of people in rural or suburban America do you think "move to the Netherlands" is a realistic suggestion?

Just out of curiosity - how big of an issue is parking in rural US?

In terms of 'will I have space to park my vehicle pretty much anywhere', little to none. In terms of, 'we could make way better use of all this land that's given over to parking' tons.

Re: The force that shapes everything around us: Parking

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Post by rahkiin »

wiredfool wrote: post #80
ericmay wrote: post #79

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Yea but the cars are smaller and transit isn't designed exclusively around moving cars from one place to another. I can't even bike in my city because I'll get ran over. Comparing the numbers directly doesn't make a lot of sense.

I've seen more Large US Car/Pickups (think old full size van/suburban/pickup) in the Netherlands than anywhere else in Europe (with the exception of right outside of a US military facility).

And they should be banned as they are wrong on every scale and measurement. Our infrastructure is not made for those huge machines nor does anyone need one.

If you need a car for a construction job, we have autobuses like VW Sprinter or Caddy for that

Re: The force that shapes everything around us: Parking

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Post by ehaliewicz2 »

2023throwawayy wrote: post #43
mikrl wrote: post #35

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That’s what I thought! But all of the five or so garages we tried cost $20-40 flat with no ticket machines or anything, and I wasn’t willing to download/fight with an app to walk around for an hour. Next trip will be more planned for sure. I was impressed with the highways though. Definitely a motorists’ dream to get around the various suburbs.

Needing to download an app, and saying "you need to book in advance" are not the same thing. Just because you didn't want to deal with it and didn't do research ahead of time doesn't mean "We couldn’t even park downtown". You didn't want to, and that's fine.

Plenty of cities get away with garages that don't require an app. Don't normalize shitty things like that.

Re: The force that shapes everything around us: Parking

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Post by _Algernon_ »

kelseyfrog wrote: post #10

What else can be done? Universal lot sharing agreements, shared parking, and annulling reserved parking stipulations. Especially the later is a structural factor in the oversupply of parking. It's the parking equivalent of circuit-switching networks - which naturally results in the oversupply of circuits. Mutatis mutandis for all things parking. If one is to admit that these played a role in the oversupply of parking…

>What else can be done?

Functioning public transit and denser cities?

Re: The force that shapes everything around us: Parking

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Post by singleshot_ »

Invictus0 wrote: post #90
singleshot_ wrote: post #85

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How would you propose convincing people to live four inches from their neighbor? This seems like somewhat of a challenging sale. I cannot speak for everyone, but I have lived this way and it is not good.

Put the well paying jobs in the city? Money tends to be pretty persuasive

I might be missing something, but it sure seems like having all the good jobs in one place where it is absolutely helping to reside is the cause of all the traffic and parking congestion.

If all the jobs were distributed widely across a place that was pleasant to live, I’m not sure we would be talking too much about all this.

I do agree, though, that money will make a person do crazy things.

Re: The force that shapes everything around us: Parking

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Post by daveliepmann »

josephcsible wrote: post #44
tekla wrote: post #38

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Nope. This is why pedestrians die. Force cars to go slower in cities. They recently added a pedestrian island in the road near where I live. It is not unnoticeable. With paint lines, high reflective markings, and literally a concrete wall. Literally on day 1, a car made an illegal left turn and hit the clearly marked island at 20mph faster than the speed limit. It jumped the 3 foot high barrier, but the pedestrian on…

If you want to make pedestrians safer, you can do that without having to make driving miserable, by building elevated pedestrian walkways.

Elevated pedestrian walkways are miserable for people walking. You seem pretty deeply carbrained.

Re: The force that shapes everything around us: Parking

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Post by dopidopHN »

Mountain_Skies wrote: post #40
damnesian wrote: post #23

>You could imagine a world in which streets were pedestrianized and where we planted trees and gardens and in what is currently space reserved for parking, and closed streets, outside schools, so kids can have places to play. I would love to see a LOT more of this in urban centers. I live in a college town that is about the same size as Iowa City. Iowa City has taken the step of closing off their downtown and making…

A college town's context is very different than that of the central business district and inner city of a large metropolitan area. Context doesn't just matter, it's one of, if not the most, important aspects to consider when selecting a development pattern. You can't turn downtown St. Lous into downtown Iowa City or even 'downtown' Seoul, South Korea. Dreamers hate this reality and will contort their assertions every…

Paris is closing the already pretty closed downtown ( along the Seine ). Does that qualify as large metro area?

What are the actual piece of reality that makes it impossible in US cities?

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