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Ask HN: Why does Firefox have such a low market share anyways?

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Re: Ask HN: Why does Firefox have such a low market share anyways?

#41

Because it's not as good as it used to be. Due poor management I suppose. Chrome is far for ideal too, but at least it works for user and developer without much pain.

Could you be more specific?

It used to be engineered especially for power users, respecting their interests and needs. Not so much these days. Reverting my about:config settings every time I update, for instance, just conditions me to dodge updates.

Re: Ask HN: Why does Firefox have such a low market share anyways?

#42

Actually, why does Chrome/ium has such a high market share even amongst tech savvy people? I don't see the appeal.

I use chromium for one reason. work requires Google meets as our meeting software. I require the ability to blur my background. I hate installing third party plugins. therefore brave is my browser

Re: Ask HN: Why does Firefox have such a low market share anyways?

#43
For years, we believed that The Google is the end-all-be-all in terms of "the best" tech to be using. Today, a lot of people still believe this, although to a lesser extent because, for obvious reasons, fewer exhibit blind trust in The Google or get that warm and fuzzy "not evil" feeling. Also, one organization has an astonishingly bigger cash flow than the other, so go figure.

With the shift to smartphones, a diminishing number of people care about their web browser, let alone those who even remember what a web browser is. Chrome just works for most people, and the need to use another browser is completely unclear to the average person. In fact, there may be no good reason to switch browsers for the average person; why would you choose a different browser with better ad-blocking capabilities when you like using The Google and enjoy those quirky State Farm commercials?

To top it all off, Mozilla has made lousy decisions as to how to delegate its cash flow.

Re: Ask HN: Why does Firefox have such a low market share anyways?

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I am still using Firefox as my main browser, but some sites are broken with Firefox and working fine with Chrome. So unless you are particularly motivated to stay on a given platform, practically it does not really makes sense as a user to stay committed.

I use Firefox as my daily driver and have not encountered any sites that work in Chrome but not Firefox.

I do too, and I have had great success... until recently, when I noticed multiple sites that don't display all form fields / checkboxes under firefox.

Most recently, I was checking into an international flight on aa.com, and there was some checkbox that Firefox was not displaying. I kept hitting submit, and AA kept telling me there was a problem, and it appeared that I'd filled out the entire form. I disabled Ublock, etc, and I could never get it to work. I eventually tried Chrome, and noticed the extra field.

Re: Ask HN: Why does Firefox have such a low market share anyways?

#45
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Google wanted more control over the Internet, so they created a browser that they controlled and pushed it on people by leveraging their monopoly in a separate area. You know, the kind of thing we used to think was bad in the 1990s.

Leveraged their monopoly ? How does that work exactly for Windows, MacOS and iOS in your mind ?

they implement features.only supported by chromium. see google meets blur background.

Re: Ask HN: Why does Firefox have such a low market share anyways?

#46
The main reason is distribution. The vast majority of internet usage is mobile where Safari, Chrome or Samsung browsers are preinstalled. Users rarely change from the default unless they really need to.

Speaking of which, Edge is competitive enough that most Windows users don’t need to change - unlike internet explorer.

Re: Ask HN: Why does Firefox have such a low market share anyways?

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Use Firefox for a day if you are a Chrome user, you’ll quickly realize the experience is far subpar. JS stuff is slower, random websites break, the UI feels a bit sluggish. I understand there are ideological reasons to support Firefox, and that some of these issues are easily attributed to other parties. But for users, there aren’t too many reasons to switch over from Chrome or even Safari, like it was the situation…

This has not been my experience at all. I was compelled to use Chrome at my last job (there was a bunch of internal tooling built around Chrome assumptions). I was there for almost five years, so I did a whole lot more than kicked the tires. My daily driver has remained FF, and I have not perceived any noticeable difference in perf because of it.

I tried Firefox a few weeks ago on a 2015 MBP plugged into a 4K tv, it could basically not play any high res video at any watchable framerate. Safari did the best, Chrome was close.

Re: Ask HN: Why does Firefox have such a low market share anyways?

#48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

for most, i would assume it's largely just that during the time of the naïve web, there was a period where google kind of was the company, so people started using it for everything (think shortly before and then during the early google+ era). 10 years later almost every normie who didn't start using apple products uses gmail and chrome simply because they legacied into it from when they were younger and less aware of…

I think you're overplaying the social aspect. For quite a while, Chrome had a serious speed advantage over Firefox and the developer tools were (are?) considered much better. I'm not sure if either is still the case. They both seem fine for my purposes, but I use Chrome because it subjectively feels a bit quicker and I've gotten disillusioned with the practice of choosing software based on political considerations.

Firefox's dev tools are much better than Chrome's

Re: Ask HN: Why does Firefox have such a low market share anyways?

#49
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One of the reasons: Massive advertising by Google to convince people to "try chrome". It is only relatively recently that visiting a google property was not met with: "Google X is best used in Chrome -- install Chrome now." (with "install chrome" being a link to the installer. No such massive advertising campaign ever existed to try to convince folks to "install Firefox".

Chrome was started by Google as a push to improve the web, which was mired in the stagnation of Internet Explorer dominance. This was good and it worked, but now they are the new monopoly, controlling not just the majority browser but also the majority search engine, majority email platform, and majority online productivity tools. They naturally work to ensure that all that stuff works well with Chrome. Pretty much the only space they don't dominate is social media, but most people access that through apps, not a browser. Even if Firefox is a better browser (and I'm not saying it is, though I personally prefer it) there just isn't much space for Firefox to start driving a wedge in.

It's an alternative for those who want it, but it's hard to point to any technical reason to prefer it.

Re: Ask HN: Why does Firefox have such a low market share anyways?

#50

I was an avid Firefox user, until it started adding services that I never asked for, namely Pocket. Things that should have been an add-on were now a core feature of the product.

So… just Pocket?

i admit it was an odd addition but I do like browsing those stories on occasion and find it useful to same new stories to pocket so that I can read them later, particularly for publishers that only let you visit their site X number of times a month.

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