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Forget Spotify for news – let's fix the real problem (2017)

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Re: Forget Spotify for news – let's fix the real problem (2017)

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I think that in the old days people read newspapers and magazines because there was no other way to spend time in a bus/subway/train/waiting_room without engaging with other people. So newspapers were entertainment (and status signals) to a much higher degree than journalists wants to admit. Being informed was only a small part of the job that reading a newspaper did. This is why Facebook could take over such a large…

I don't remember news papers being a status symbol exactly, what I remember is that it was rare for a household to have more than one subscription. Multiple magazines, sure, but not newspapers. I remember categorizing my friend's parents by their choices. "This is a National Post household" or Toronto Star, The Globe and Mail.

> I don't remember news papers being a status symbol exactly

How many people have told you they subscribe to the NYTimes?

Even now, it comes up quite a bit.

But in the olden days of people reading the paper on the train, it was a topic of conversation much more. How many papers one subscribed to, which one, etc etc.

Re: Forget Spotify for news – let's fix the real problem (2017)

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People say they will pay for news. The translation is that will be dragged kicking and screaming into paying $100 per year for all they can eat news rather than the thousands it would actually cost.

Exactly. People are willing to pay for news if it’s sensibly priced. It’s not a charity. If it really costs thousands, then the model is broken and they should all be out of a job. But let’s be honest, it doesn’t cost thousands.

Journalists have never been especially highly paid though. Software should be cheaper too. Let's stop paying software developers 6 figures.

Re: Forget Spotify for news – let's fix the real problem (2017)

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The real problem is presuming the profit model for news is a good idea. It's going to always tend towards quick-turn around, low-effort sensationalism because that's the most profitable configuration. Speculation, accusation, defamation, and conspiracies will always get more eyeballs then careful balanced well researched reporting. Lying about something now is cheaper and more profitable than sending a reporter out a…

I think that in the old days people read newspapers and magazines because there was no other way to spend time in a bus/subway/train/waiting_room without engaging with other people. So newspapers were entertainment (and status signals) to a much higher degree than journalists wants to admit. Being informed was only a small part of the job that reading a newspaper did. This is why Facebook could take over such a large…

Books have been available for a long time and they also have quite a high status - so unless there was something else to it, why wouldn't most people be reading books?

Re: Forget Spotify for news – let's fix the real problem (2017)

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The real problem is presuming the profit model for news is a good idea. It's going to always tend towards quick-turn around, low-effort sensationalism because that's the most profitable configuration. Speculation, accusation, defamation, and conspiracies will always get more eyeballs then careful balanced well researched reporting. Lying about something now is cheaper and more profitable than sending a reporter out a…

What other model do you propose? Government funded news? No news at all? Volunteer news?

This gets politically loaded quickly. But it's interesting to note few people say "business funded" the same way they say "government funded". Maybe "customer funded" or "tax funded" are better, if the question is about the source of the funding and not the middlemen to the transaction?

Perhaps more importantly, tax payer funding can be done in a multitude of different ways, each as unique as with other types of funding. There can, for example, exist a commitment to create a long term endowment outside of political control.

This is a close parallel to how justice works, which in civilized countries with proper separation of powers can guarantee civilians due process not under direct political control.

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