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Re: LazyVim

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Post by alwillis »

yxre wrote: post #3
manaskarekar wrote: post #2

The other comparable setups: NvChad: https://github.com/NvChad/NvChad AstroNvim: https://github.com/AstroNvim/AstroNvim LunarVim: https://github.com/LunarVim/LunarVim Never got into any of these, but I love that they showcase what's possible.

I find that any IDE-type setup in vim causes vim to lose the most important thing, speed. If your movements slow down because of too many plugins, the experience is far worse than in a normal non-modal IDE.

> I find that any IDE-type setup in vim causes vim to lose the most important thing, speed. If your movements slow down because of too many plugins, the experience is far worse than in a normal non-modal IDE.

Um… the word any is doing a lot of work in this sentence. I never had this problem on a 7 year-old iMac. I tried using VS Code on the same machine with just a few plugins on small projects and because it's an Electron app, I'd get frustrated and switch back to Neovim. VS Code has come a long way but it's no Neovim.

The beauty of new plugin managers like Lazy.nvim [1] is you could have 30 plugins configured but Lazy doesn't load all of them at once. In fact, it doesn't load any of ones you don't need and when they do load, it's asynchronous.

Plugins on Neovim run on separate threads from the editor itself, another reason we don't get those slowdowns you spoke of.

Re: LazyVim

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Post by samrjack »

wudangmonk wrote: post #79
dumpsterdiver wrote: post #69

I feel like I should be the kind of person who prefers eMacs over vi(m), because I've always been a hotkey maniac. I'm actually not though at all, and I much prefer the simplicity of vim. I already have way too many hotkeys lingering in my brain, especially since I played the game Age of Empires II. I don't play many games these days, and I certainly don't use their hotkeys (I play exclusively on consoles these days,…

I've had several people recommend me their IDEs or some new text editor from time to time by telling me that the editor supports Emacs style keybindings assuming that is the main difference between editors. I've never used emac's native keybindings, nor do I use vim's since I don't use qwerty. While my custom keybindings are something I would not want to give up they can be replicated in any other editor that provide…

I used vim for a long time and now use Emacs doom/evil over top for most of my daily work. I’d say the part of the key bindings that I find hard to live without is the modal editing side of it which helps me really think about the macros I use when moving around or editing.

The other thing I really love is the integration with the old ed editor so you can quickly do several really flexible edits with regex and get what you want. I’m sure emac’s built in functionality can do some/most of the stuff but it’s no where near as concise and other editors have no such built in functionality to speak of.

Re: LazyVim

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Post by divbzero »

p-e-w wrote: post #87
danjac wrote: post #78

I've been using vim for years, switched to neovim, and at this point I'm ready to throw in the towel and just use vscode for anything beyond simple text editing. The amount of work needed to get a basic IDE up and running for your languages of choice, even for commonly used languages such as Python or Javascript, is far too much for someone who wants to get on with their day job or hobby coding and doesn't want to sp…

> The amount of work needed not only to get a basic IDE up and running for your languages of choice, even for commonly used languages such as Python or Javascript, is far too much for someone who wants to get on with their day job or hobby coding and doesn't want to spend precious hours fixing obscure issues in Lua. "This airplane is the choice of professional pilots! The first thing we advise you to do is turn the y…

Was that expressly written to parody Vim? If so, this line is particularly spot on:

> 'left' actually means right

Re: LazyVim

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Post by alwillis »

knubie wrote: post #14
elliot07 wrote: post #12

Off topic, but does anyone know what the vim theme is in the screenshot?

Looks like tokyo night. https://github.com/folke/tokyonight.nvim

Same author as Lazy, so that makes sense. I also use Tokyo Night, so I recognize it.

Re: LazyVim

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Post by raphinou »

NvChad[1]is the first vim/neovim config that worked for me for coding. What I also like in NvChad is that all my custom configs can be placed under a `custom` directory, leaving the provided config as is and easing upgrades of NvChad itself. This doesn't seem to be the case with LazyVim.

[1]: https://nvchad.com/

Re: LazyVim

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Post by _7tgr »

eikenberry wrote: post #102
danjac wrote: post #78

I've been using vim for years, switched to neovim, and at this point I'm ready to throw in the towel and just use vscode for anything beyond simple text editing. The amount of work needed to get a basic IDE up and running for your languages of choice, even for commonly used languages such as Python or Javascript, is far too much for someone who wants to get on with their day job or hobby coding and doesn't want to sp…

An alternative to Neovim or VScode that might be worth checking out is Helix ( https://helix-editor.com/ ). It is a Vim/Kakoune inspired editor that is really starting to hit its stride. I haven't used it extensively yet, but I'm testing using it for development now and am thinking of switching to it full time. It maintains the minimalism of (Neo)Vim while coming with a great builtin setup like VScode. To get a feel…

Helix is interesting but I don't really gel with its editing language (subject + verb instead of verb + subject like (n)vim's). Happy to discuss what I think is lacking in more detail, but basically: the premise of 'you can see what you're about to operate on before you do the action' is satisfied for me by visual mode, and I like macros better than multiple cursors. So I don't want a (subjectively) less efficient editing language for these features. I think I generally agree with the complaints in [1], with the addition that I don't want to have to chord (press shift in the case of Kakoune, I forget what helix does here) to extend a selection.

I wish they'd add a Vi mode. ;)

[1] https://github.com/noctuid/dotfiles/blob/master/emacs/editin...

Re: LazyVim

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Post by danjac »

godelski wrote: post #117
danjac wrote: post #78

I've been using vim for years, switched to neovim, and at this point I'm ready to throw in the towel and just use vscode for anything beyond simple text editing. The amount of work needed to get a basic IDE up and running for your languages of choice, even for commonly used languages such as Python or Javascript, is far too much for someone who wants to get on with their day job or hobby coding and doesn't want to sp…

I've never tried neovim, but have been a vim user for over a decade and never really dealt with problems where I need to touch vimscript at all. Is neovim that clunky? Is it plugins?

My feeling is that neovim per se, as a piece of software, is fine, but that it belongs to one of those developer communities that prizes freedom and infinite configurability over the day-to-day practicality of getting things done. So something like LSP integration has too many ways to do it across too many plugins.

If you are deeply involved in the community and are willing to put in the time, sure, you could probably build something superior to vscode. But the time invested to get there might not be worth the marginal productivity gains.

Re: LazyVim

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Post by mumblingdrunk »

danjac wrote: post #78

I've been using vim for years, switched to neovim, and at this point I'm ready to throw in the towel and just use vscode for anything beyond simple text editing. The amount of work needed to get a basic IDE up and running for your languages of choice, even for commonly used languages such as Python or Javascript, is far too much for someone who wants to get on with their day job or hobby coding and doesn't want to sp…

This is why I switched to Helix. The configuration is practically non-existent, and it has default configs for all the language servers I could ever want to interact with. I just put the language server binary in my path and I'm ready to go with autocomplete and all the other features.

Re: LazyVim

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Post by singpolyma3 »

danjac wrote: post #78

I've been using vim for years, switched to neovim, and at this point I'm ready to throw in the towel and just use vscode for anything beyond simple text editing. The amount of work needed to get a basic IDE up and running for your languages of choice, even for commonly used languages such as Python or Javascript, is far too much for someone who wants to get on with their day job or hobby coding and doesn't want to sp…

If you want IDE like features, then of course an IDE is a better choice. I've never understood why people and to extend vim to try to make it half of an IDE.

Re: LazyVim

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Post by 59nadir »

danjac wrote: post #78

I've been using vim for years, switched to neovim, and at this point I'm ready to throw in the towel and just use vscode for anything beyond simple text editing. The amount of work needed to get a basic IDE up and running for your languages of choice, even for commonly used languages such as Python or Javascript, is far too much for someone who wants to get on with their day job or hobby coding and doesn't want to sp…

JetBrains have excellent offerings for both JavaScript and Python, in my opinion. I happen to like Neovim and I don't use the languages you have issues with the Neovim side of, but if I were to use an alternative it would definitely be JetBrains IDEs.
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