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Re: LazyVim

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Post by riffraff »

VoidWhisperer wrote: post #58
wruza wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don’t mind slowdowns as long as they are synchronous and deterministic. But most IDEs and IDE-like plugins work asynchronously, so you have to wait and sync all the time. I think that this async-all approach gains technically but loses methodically, so I stick to basic editing. Ymmw. What I would like to try is an asynchronous non-inplace helper. Like a side panel or a bg overlay to the right-ish that understands w…

The last suggestion seems somewhat similar to what copilot does, although copilot tends to suggest whole statements instead of a word

I wish copilot.vim had a way to insert only a token from the suggestion. I often get stuff which is partly correct but "diverges".

Re: LazyVim

#82

Post by stevebmark »

What was the name of the original Vim magic-auto-default setup project? I wish I could remember it! There used to be so many Vim questions on Stackoverflow from people who installed Vim ________ (?) and had no idea what it did. The advice was always: "Stop using that, and learn Vim." This project smells like that.

There are two types of Vim users:

1. "Stop trying to make Vim and IDE with all your fancy plugins, learn Vim!"

2. "Vim is so much more than a text editor, of course you can use it as an IDE."

These two Vim users are usually the same person.

You have to learn Vim's terrible, verbose, antiquated commands in depth in order to justify using Vim. If you don't use q: (q colon) and q/ (q forward slash) in Vim, for example, you probably don't know Vim well enough to justify the efficiency loss you have compared to you using a modern IDE with multiple cursors.

Aside: It blows my mind that there are still plugin managers being invented for Vim. That's a bad sign for an editor. This shouldn't exist in userland.

Re: LazyVim

#83

Post by TonyStr »

danjac wrote: post #78

I've been using vim for years, switched to neovim, and at this point I'm ready to throw in the towel and just use vscode for anything beyond simple text editing. The amount of work needed to get a basic IDE up and running for your languages of choice, even for commonly used languages such as Python or Javascript, is far too much for someone who wants to get on with their day job or hobby coding and doesn't want to sp…

Did you try LazyVim or any other neovim distro? Seems like you're complaining about configuring neovim from scratch, which is that pain that neovim distros aim to remove

Re: LazyVim

#84

Post by dicytea »

javitury wrote: post #80

There is also mason for installing LSP servers, DAP adapters, formatters and linters. https://github.com/williamboman/mason.nvim

I'm still using this, but now I'm contemplating on switching to my system's package manager instead. It was pretty useful when I was on Windows, but now I'm just feeling less and less of its benefits. The scope is also intentionally limited, so you need to eventually install some tools manually anyways (e.g. ccls). But I can see the benefits if you work on both Windows and Linux.

Re: LazyVim

#85

Post by danjac »

TonyStr wrote: post #83
danjac wrote: post #78

I've been using vim for years, switched to neovim, and at this point I'm ready to throw in the towel and just use vscode for anything beyond simple text editing. The amount of work needed to get a basic IDE up and running for your languages of choice, even for commonly used languages such as Python or Javascript, is far too much for someone who wants to get on with their day job or hobby coding and doesn't want to sp…

Did you try LazyVim or any other neovim distro? Seems like you're complaining about configuring neovim from scratch, which is that pain that neovim distros aim to remove

Yes I did. And they work fine, until you need to do that one thing (e.g. "Set up Black to format on save"). Now you are back in that world of pain of figuring out which plugin needs to be installed/configured, only now you are figuring out someone else's way of doing it.

Re: LazyVim

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Post by mathisfun123 »

wruza wrote: post #61
mathisfun123 wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Turn it into a game if you want. some of us don't have time to play games? i mean definitely used to when i was a kid but now i have lots of deadlines and little enough time to play games with my human friends let alone with my editor. > make the editor __yours__ a good tool is useful immediately and has the potential to be personalized. i mean imagine how little carpentry would ever get done if every hammer, drill…

Few last times I tried VSCode it wasn’t immediately useful. I believe that you’re speaking from your own familiarity with it. How big is your settings.json?

> How big is your settings.json?

Lol empty

Re: LazyVim

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Post by p-e-w »

danjac wrote: post #78

I've been using vim for years, switched to neovim, and at this point I'm ready to throw in the towel and just use vscode for anything beyond simple text editing. The amount of work needed to get a basic IDE up and running for your languages of choice, even for commonly used languages such as Python or Javascript, is far too much for someone who wants to get on with their day job or hobby coding and doesn't want to sp…

> The amount of work needed not only to get a basic IDE up and running for your languages of choice, even for commonly used languages such as Python or Javascript, is far too much for someone who wants to get on with their day job or hobby coding and doesn't want to spend precious hours fixing obscure issues in Lua.

"This airplane is the choice of professional pilots! The first thing we advise you to do is turn the yoke upside down, it's much more ergonomic like that. Also, you probably want to rip out the altimeter and replace it with a custom one that has more features. And bring your own GPS unit and tape it to the windshield, because this plane doesn't have one by default. And of course, remember that unlike in your car, 'left' actually means right in this plane. This is the professional way. Ah yes, when you fly over Canada, you will see a blinking warning sign telling you that you're out of fuel. That's just a small glitch caused by metric/imperial confusion. It has been known for 23 years but we haven't quite gotten around to fixing it yet. Don't worry, this plane is still excellent for professional pilots. If you feel otherwise, you are probably not a real professional."

Re: LazyVim

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Post by dumpsterdiver »

wudangmonk wrote: post #79
dumpsterdiver wrote: post #69

I feel like I should be the kind of person who prefers eMacs over vi(m), because I've always been a hotkey maniac. I'm actually not though at all, and I much prefer the simplicity of vim. I already have way too many hotkeys lingering in my brain, especially since I played the game Age of Empires II. I don't play many games these days, and I certainly don't use their hotkeys (I play exclusively on consoles these days,…

I've had several people recommend me their IDEs or some new text editor from time to time by telling me that the editor supports Emacs style keybindings assuming that is the main difference between editors. I've never used emac's native keybindings, nor do I use vim's since I don't use qwerty. While my custom keybindings are something I would not want to give up they can be replicated in any other editor that provide…

Oh goodness, I would never use vim as an IDE, or any purely text based editor. I pay out-of-pocket to use proprietary IDE's, and I consider it a cost of doing business. Vim to me, is simply a way to make minor changes to configuration files mostly. I would never dream of coding in vim.

Edit: TLDR - vim is sometimes better than sed for making changes to files, but in my mind that's about it.

Re: LazyVim

#89

Post by silasdavis »

danjac wrote: post #78

I've been using vim for years, switched to neovim, and at this point I'm ready to throw in the towel and just use vscode for anything beyond simple text editing. The amount of work needed to get a basic IDE up and running for your languages of choice, even for commonly used languages such as Python or Javascript, is far too much for someone who wants to get on with their day job or hobby coding and doesn't want to sp…

I can identify with much of this.

After an unfortunate bout of Java development, I was flung into the arms of Intellij, steadily won over by the indexing and the reliability of the refactoring tools. The Vim plugin was good enough and defining some chords for editor shortcuts resulted in a kind of fucked up fat vim emacs mode that was quite productive.

I, too, got fed up of spending inordinate amounts of debugging vimscript and incompatibilities to end up with something that was slower or buggier than an IDE in certain crucial ways or with highly debugging resistant niggles.

But I'm also far from in love with Intellij these days. It's slow. Prone to index corruption with lots annoyances I can't easily fix myself. I may churn to vscode. But I'm definitely in the gravity well of Intellij.

However perhaps this is worth a look. I have historically had a fairly high tolerance to plowing hours I'm never getting back into fiddling with tools. Just less than I used to. More nixos gnome, alacritty than gentoo, xmonad, urxvt...

Re: LazyVim

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Post by CGamesPlay »

danjac wrote: post #78

I've been using vim for years, switched to neovim, and at this point I'm ready to throw in the towel and just use vscode for anything beyond simple text editing. The amount of work needed to get a basic IDE up and running for your languages of choice, even for commonly used languages such as Python or Javascript, is far too much for someone who wants to get on with their day job or hobby coding and doesn't want to sp…

FWIW, I still use regular vim with ale [0] and it does everything I want. It formats files with Black and isort, shows ruff and pyright errors, supports jumping to definitions, and has variable information available on hover. It also does this for every other language I write in. I have collected my config over the past several years, but I pretty rarely encounter errors with it. It requires no additional dependencies except for the language tools themselves (Black, ruff, etc.).

[0]: https://github.com/dense-analysis/ale [1] https://github.com/CGamesPlay/dotfiles/blob/master/files/.co...

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