Hacker News Board Hacker News, browsed like a classic message board
Live data from Hacker News

Dusk OS: 32-bit Forth OS. Useful during first stage of civilizational collapse

duskos.org

Post reply on HN
Print view View original

91–100 of 152 posts

Re: Dusk OS: 32-bit Forth OS. Useful during first stage of civilizational collapse

#91

Post by uoaei »

jacquesm wrote: post #86
uoaei wrote: post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'd bet the US national grid would be back up in some capacity within a year. People tend to assemble in times of crisis.

I'd bet it wouldn't. You might have some tiny local grids but anything city sized would require a lot more coordination than you might think.

Likely there wouldn't be as many services, but don't you think long-range transmission and a good set of scattered plants would provide at least some "modern" facilities within that time? I'm sure the ownership and management structures would look very different as well as usage patterns (probably many services would be centralized in communities).

Re: Dusk OS: 32-bit Forth OS. Useful during first stage of civilizational collapse

#92

Post by jacquesm »

uoaei wrote: post #91
jacquesm wrote: post #86

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'd bet it wouldn't. You might have some tiny local grids but anything city sized would require a lot more coordination than you might think.

Likely there wouldn't be as many services, but don't you think long-range transmission and a good set of scattered plants would provide at least some "modern" facilities within that time? I'm sure the ownership and management structures would look very different as well as usage patterns (probably many services would be centralized in communities).

Think about the infrastructure behind those plants required to keep them running. maybe you could keep a hydro plant running for a while, at least until the bearings fail. But anything relying on high tech, fossil fuels or nuclear would stop long before solar and wind power became unavailable.

Re: Dusk OS: 32-bit Forth OS. Useful during first stage of civilizational collapse

#93

Post by 29athrowaway »

notanothereric wrote: post #79
29athrowaway wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maps will be useful but after EMPs and nuclear winter, consuming maps on a powered device will be impractical. Paper maps will be far more practical. First targets going down in a global war will be GPS, Galileo, Glonass, etc. so all those systems will go offline right away. All power will go to water pumps, heating, air conditioning, mining, etc.

re: maps — I accumulated a lot if regional and national maps ( thank you AAA!!) but they do go out of date. Major challenge with prepping is uninterrupted vigilance maintaining your supplies… which likely is an Amazon marketplace business in and of itself… lol.

There are apocalypse shelter services for rich people that take care of this for you.

Re: Dusk OS: 32-bit Forth OS. Useful during first stage of civilizational collapse

#94

Post by jacquesm »

josephg wrote: post #8

> Dusk OS doesn't have users, but operators. What's the difference? Control. You use a phone, you use a coffee machine, hell you even use a car these days. But you operate a bulldozer, you operate a crane, you operate a plane. You use Linux, you use Windows. You operate Dusk OS. There’s something I adore about the aesthetic of this project and how this is written. I’ll probably never run the code myself, but I’d watc…

It's close to TempleOS in that sense.

Re: Dusk OS: 32-bit Forth OS. Useful during first stage of civilizational collapse

#95

Post by jacquesm »

tired_star_nrg wrote: post #2

Oh I’m so glad someone has already started working on something like this. This has been one of my biggest concerns for a while Edit: Are there any easy entry points to this ecosystem for people interested in the concept but not familiar with the details? Like a competition to see who can get this up and running some set program the fastest on microprocessors found in the trash/recycling? Or what’s the most unexpecte…

An Arduino would give you a good basic idea of the lowest levels of computing that are still reasonably accessible. Otherwise: PIC chips and repurposed smartphones.

Re: Dusk OS: 32-bit Forth OS. Useful during first stage of civilizational collapse

#96

Post by jacquesm »

guestbest wrote: post #88
bsaul wrote: post #85

I've been thinking a out civilization collapse for a while, and to me the greatest think anyone should be building is simply a computer with wikipedia installed, running on solar batteries (or something even more durable). Meant to be working for a 100 years

If you’d rather development to last 100 years, may I suggest GNU Hurd?

I'd suggest printing it out on acid free paper and guarding it with your life.

Re: Dusk OS: 32-bit Forth OS. Useful during first stage of civilizational collapse

#97

Post by jacquesm »

CBarkleyU wrote: post #35
ethbr0 wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If society doesn't collapse by 2030, who's harmed by this project existing? And if you're going to pick a date, why one over another? +7 years seems a reasonable goal to make progress towards

By this project? No one, probably. By this "society is doomed, the world is gonna collapse" type of thought? Many people. Loads of people for a myriad of reasons get conned into this dillusion and either (a) stripped out of their hard earned cash or (b) spiral further and further into a dillisuonal state where they either hurt themselves or people around them. Also it's effin goofy. Nerd CEOs building their undergrou…

And at a slightly higher level: the likes of Thiel and company buying up remote property. I wonder if they have figured out how they're going to get there when they have to. In their worldview NZ is probably next door but when the lights go out getting there is going to be a serious challenge, probably much more risky than simply staying put wherever you find yourself.

Re: Dusk OS: 32-bit Forth OS. Useful during first stage of civilizational collapse

#98

Post by jacquesm »

Gordonjcp wrote: post #69
knowledge-clay wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's much, much, much simpler and more compact. The core system is about 8000 lines of code. The C compiler is 1400. Its memory footprint is extremely small (1MB to have a C compiler running on bare metal in the PC architecture). From here, you have a system capable of building C programs as well as bootstrapping itself. This is level of simplicity is staggering and empowering -- it is completely reasonable to read a…

If you're writing it in Forth, why bother having a C compiler?

The FORTH core allows Dusk OS to be ported with an absolute minimum of work. It's like an abstract machine language.

Re: Dusk OS: 32-bit Forth OS. Useful during first stage of civilizational collapse

#100

Post by sremani »

For Duck OS to shine, you really do not need a civilizational collapse. Consider a world that existed in 1960s, where computers were not affordable by a median family and only Universities and Research institutions can have them. We can get into that world with a dash of hyper-inflation and war in wrong places.

Semi-conductor industry has complex supply chains, and if cost of bunker fuel shoots to say $500 dollars a barrel, we are done with transcontinental shipping. There are few ways of getting there -- I know Civilization Collapse has dramatic effect and is the right marketing.

Post reply on HN