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Re: Ask HN: How could I safely contact drug cartels?

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Post by pg_1234 »

raincom wrote: post #158
csears wrote: post #136

Earlier quoted context omitted.

One could argue that cartel members and VCs do share some qualities. But again, your point is well taken and you may very well be right. I won't move forward if there isn't a safe, legal path to do so. I appreciate your feedback.

VCs can destroy your career and finances in safe/legal ways. Cartels don't operate in safe/legal ways. Cartel members snitch on you, can kill you or family members. Cartel members always care about their safety first, not your safety; that means, they can do whatever they want. Just go to https://www.borderlandbeat.com for all narco news. The kind of naïveté you displayed in this thread shows that you will end up com…

Sounds like we need to be setting these Cartels on VCs.

Re: Ask HN: How could I safely contact drug cartels?

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Post by [deleted] »

FormerBandmate wrote: post #134
valar_m wrote: post #43

Don't stress about the cartel. You'll be arrested long before you ever get into contact with them. Instead, here a few things to help minimize the number of years you'll spend in prison away from your daughter and the rest of your family. You mentioned meeting with the DEA in another comment. Bring a lawyer when you go. You'll have to call around to find one who will agree to put you in jeopardy of criminal prosecuti…

Why would you ever deliberately put yourself in jeopardy of criminal prosecution ever

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Re: Ask HN: How could I safely contact drug cartels?

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Post by [deleted] »

toyg wrote: post #74
badpun wrote: post #35

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I always wonder where's the legal boundary of abetting. If I sell a cartel member a pack of chewing gum at a gas station, I'm probably not abetting. But what if I'm a book store owner, I know the customer is a chemist for the cartel, and I sell him a chemistry book? Is that criminal? Why/why not?

The Law is never perfect. Who the judge is, who the jury is, how they woke up on a given day, etc etc, can often be the difference between innocence and guilt, in the eyes of the system. Book owner "looks shifty", smokes pot recreationally, is known by prostitutes? Guilty. Book owner wears tweed, went to Harvard, is well-liked in book-clubs? Innocent.

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Re: Ask HN: How could I safely contact drug cartels?

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Post by lamontcg »

> interested in something that would prevent their customers from dying

they don't care. there's more getting hooked to replace them every day.

there's no profit in lifting a finger to prevent the deaths, it is all a perfectly acceptable moral cost of doing business (for people who are very willing to kill in cold blood).

your mental model of the cartels and their motivations and business model is very broken.

Re: Ask HN: How could I safely contact drug cartels?

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Post by gerikson »

peteradio wrote: post #183
csears wrote: post #136

Earlier quoted context omitted.

One could argue that cartel members and VCs do share some qualities. But again, your point is well taken and you may very well be right. I won't move forward if there isn't a safe, legal path to do so. I appreciate your feedback.

Are you prepared to walk around with a gun on your person at all times and a cyanide tooth to avoid more regrettable death?

Apart from the suicide pill, lots of Americans do that...

Re: Ask HN: How could I safely contact drug cartels?

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Post by Fricken »

kuhewa wrote: post #39
Fricken wrote: post #23

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I stayed in a small village In Michoacan on the pacific coast in Mexico for a few weeks on a surf trip. This was 2009, but everybody in town knew "The Big Guy". He paid for schools and roads, ate at the local restaurants, attended church on special occasions. I wouldn't argue there's a safe or easy way to get access to a guy like this, but I doubt it's necessary to go to through drug supply chain. Make friends with t…

> Make friends with the locals. Maybe the Big Guy might even give a harmless surf bum a head nod in passing if he's being respectful in town. But going down into cartel country to seek out local capos and befriend them for drug business purposes is absolutely horrible advice.

What do you recommend?

Re: Ask HN: How could I safely contact drug cartels?

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Post by kuhewa »

Fricken wrote: post #198
kuhewa wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Make friends with the locals. Maybe the Big Guy might even give a harmless surf bum a head nod in passing if he's being respectful in town. But going down into cartel country to seek out local capos and befriend them for drug business purposes is absolutely horrible advice.

What do you recommend?

Him to publish his idea where it can be freely read. If there's something that could make opiate dealing safer and would be profitable and no one has ever thought of it, AND he honestly doesn't care about making a profit, that's all he's got to do. A meeting with a small time cartel affiliate won't make a difference except greatly increase the odds hr gets killed.
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