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Re: LulzSec brought down by own leader

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Post by eli »

whamill wrote: post #63
ebbv wrote: post #7

Oh Fox News. Even when reporting on something legitimately interesting and out of the ordinary, they have to use very un-journalistic phrases like "...allegedly commanded a loosely organized, international team of perhaps thousands of hackers ..." "Perhaps thousands"? Perhaps millions! Perhaps five. Ugh.

They use lots of confusingly contradictory language to puff up the arrest, like: "the head of LulzSec" then immediately following with "the loose network of hackers", and contrasting "loosely organised" with Sabu being at the "nerve centre", and also "perhaps thousands of hackers" whereas they claim to know they're arresting "top-ranking members". So simultaneously acknowledging they taking out a member of a distribu…

You really don't see how a group could be both "loosely organized" and have yet also have members who act as leaders?

Re: LulzSec brought down by own leader

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Post by Auguste »

JonnieCache wrote: post #43

I reckon a huge proportion of blackhats in the scene are working for the feds. Some kid with no record gets thrown in a van by men with guns, and the full force of police psychological manipulation is brought to bear on them. They get told they're irrevocably destined for a lifetime of being brutally raped in the showers. Is it any surprise that these young men with no experience of foul-play or maliciousness outside…

What do you mean you "wouldn't even invent a pseudonym"? What does that have to do with getting caught?

Re: LulzSec brought down by own leader

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Post by nmridul »

eli wrote: post #106
corford wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's a slightly less breathless and more coherent report here: http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2012/mar/06/lulzsec-sab...

Give credit where its due: Fox News broke this story. The Guardian report appears to be based solely on the earlier Fox story and public documents.

It has nothing to do with giving credits. I (and I'm sure many others would also) like to read less tabloid-y and factual reporting anytime and so would prefer to read the story on Guardian than on Fox.

Re: LulzSec brought down by own leader

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Post by Shaanie »

Auguste wrote: post #122
JonnieCache wrote: post #43

I reckon a huge proportion of blackhats in the scene are working for the feds. Some kid with no record gets thrown in a van by men with guns, and the full force of police psychological manipulation is brought to bear on them. They get told they're irrevocably destined for a lifetime of being brutally raped in the showers. Is it any surprise that these young men with no experience of foul-play or maliciousness outside…

What do you mean you "wouldn't even invent a pseudonym"? What does that have to do with getting caught?

As you get more attention the chance of getting caught increases, I'd imagine.

Re: LulzSec brought down by own leader

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Post by eli »

nmridul wrote: post #124
eli wrote: post #106

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Give credit where its due: Fox News broke this story. The Guardian report appears to be based solely on the earlier Fox story and public documents.

It has nothing to do with giving credits. I (and I'm sure many others would also) like to read less tabloid-y and factual reporting anytime and so would prefer to read the story on Guardian than on Fox.

But the quotes are literally lifted from the Fox piece. The Guardian does not add much new reporting, it just lays out the existing facts in a way you find more agreeable.

Re: LulzSec brought down by own leader

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Post by im3w1l »

freehunter wrote: post #89
alecco wrote: post #81

From the rt story: > Monsegur pled guilty to several charges of computer hacking conspiracy, for which he could receive a maximum of 124 years behind bars. That's what a serial killer would get. US law is ridiculously tilt to corporations.

Note that he hasn't actually been sentenced to 124 years. We're talking about multiple stacking charges here. You could get multiple charges of parking too far from the curb and it could add up to thousands of dollars, but that doesn't mean the parking fine is too much. More than likely, it'll be reduced to a sane amount when the compile the charges. 5 years, maybe 10 (maybe more). The actual sentence (minimum senten…

Maybe punishments shouldn't be linear.

Re: LulzSec brought down by own leader

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Post by phaus »

rajpaul wrote: post #69
JonnieCache wrote: post #43

I reckon a huge proportion of blackhats in the scene are working for the feds. Some kid with no record gets thrown in a van by men with guns, and the full force of police psychological manipulation is brought to bear on them. They get told they're irrevocably destined for a lifetime of being brutally raped in the showers. Is it any surprise that these young men with no experience of foul-play or maliciousness outside…

I also think that a lot of black hats are working for the feds. But I think it has more to do with their lack of integrity and morals rather than threats and intimidation. Legal advice is a big part of black hat literature, so I don't think any of them can claim ignorance.

There's also the ones that actually have morality and integrity and thus find honor in serving one's country.

This doesn't mean that everything the Government does is beneficial to society, but people seem to forget that many government employees have good intentions.

Re: LulzSec brought down by own leader

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Post by mellifluousmind »

SoftwareMaven wrote: post #40
mellifluousmind wrote: post #23

Well, you can pretty much imagine how it went down. FBI caught up to him with threats like "eh..you are unemployed, and you still have two kids. You want to see them in foster care system?" ... well, no surprise there. too many buttons that FBI can push on this guy

Vapid speculation based on TV plots doesn't really help the level of discourse at HN. Given the list of hacks and the outrageous hacking laws in the US, the default penalty could easily be life in prison. I wouldn't think the Feds would need to push much harder than that.

Vapid or not, everyone is entitled to their opinions. If you can't accept that, you are not welcome on HN discussion either. End of story.

Simply stated, if HN is heading towards Reddit-like behavior where comments must gear towards "singular" minded thinking, that's the also the day I stop visiting this site.

Re: LulzSec brought down by own leader

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Post by nknight »

phaus wrote: post #128
rajpaul wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I also think that a lot of black hats are working for the feds. But I think it has more to do with their lack of integrity and morals rather than threats and intimidation. Legal advice is a big part of black hat literature, so I don't think any of them can claim ignorance.

There's also the ones that actually have morality and integrity and thus find honor in serving one's country. This doesn't mean that everything the Government does is beneficial to society, but people seem to forget that many government employees have good intentions.

> There's also the ones that actually have morality and integrity

...

> and thus find honor in serving one's country.

Error! You may like "serving one's country", but you have no business claiming it is inherent in honor, morality, or integrity.

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