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Signal president says company will not comply with U.K. ‘mass surveillance’ law

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Re: Signal president says company will not comply with U.K. ‘mass surveillance’ law

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> “I think what has happened over the you know, handful of decades in which the surveillance business model has interpolated our core infrastructure — to the point that we’re surveilled in to an extent we don’t have a sense of — is that that choice has been made for us,” Whittaker said. This is an honest question: did she mean to say "infiltrated", or is this usage of "interpolated" a valid one that I just don't unde…

Definitely infiltrated.

Re: Signal president says company will not comply with U.K. ‘mass surveillance’ law

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Hasn’t Apple already shown it’s possible to add another party silently to an encrypted exchange? > Passwords: Users can now create a group to share a set of passwords. Everyone in a group can add and edit passwords to keep them up to date, and since sharing is through iCloud Keychain, it’s end-to-end encrypted. So there goes the backdoor encryption argument, it’s possible to add another member to a group of people wi…

Isnt this more analogous to an end-to-end encrypted group chat than a backdoor?

Re: Signal president says company will not comply with U.K. ‘mass surveillance’ law

#44

Hasn’t Apple already shown it’s possible to add another party silently to an encrypted exchange? > Passwords: Users can now create a group to share a set of passwords. Everyone in a group can add and edit passwords to keep them up to date, and since sharing is through iCloud Keychain, it’s end-to-end encrypted. So there goes the backdoor encryption argument, it’s possible to add another member to a group of people wi…

Adding backdoors to crypto algorithms is easy. What's impossible is ensuring the backdoors can only be used by the good guys.

What's also impossible is ensuring the good guys don't abuse their backdoors and thus become bad guys.

Re: Signal president says company will not comply with U.K. ‘mass surveillance’ law

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> “You cannot create a back door that only the good guys can go through,” Alright, technical argument here. This is false and tech talking heads are spreading this lie for ideological reasons. You don't need to backdoor the protocol, just the specific targeted client. Now, if Signal said this is unfair because competitors won't also backdoor their app then I am with them. What the UK should probably have done is to f…

I didnt read that as a technical argument, but as a sociological one. If there are two apps, one which is easy/legal to obtain, but has a backdoor and another which may be harder/illegal to obtain but has no backdoor, which is the bad guy going to choose? Unless you can somehow force every app to use the backdoor, you cant make the bad guy go through it. Therefore, "You cannot create a back door that only the good guys can go through"

Re: Signal president says company will not comply with U.K. ‘mass surveillance’ law

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post #34

> “You cannot create a back door that only the good guys can go through,” Alright, technical argument here. This is false and tech talking heads are spreading this lie for ideological reasons. You don't need to backdoor the protocol, just the specific targeted client. Now, if Signal said this is unfair because competitors won't also backdoor their app then I am with them. What the UK should probably have done is to f…

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Re: Signal president says company will not comply with U.K. ‘mass surveillance’ law

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Her television interview with the former(?) minister responsible for this abomination of a law was urgent and necessary. These legislators know what they are doing, and that it is unethical. Let Signal leave the UK market. If the people want freedom, let them take it themselves. Perhaps before this generation of young men are rounded up for another one of history's meat grinders in Ukraine, as a means to further redu…

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>being ruled by a family

Nice hyperbole. Western monarchs have no real political power. They're just figureheads whose wealth is continually financed by the state. Which is stupid, but they're not rulers of anything other than their own lavish properties.

Re: Signal president says company will not comply with U.K. ‘mass surveillance’ law

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post #34

> “You cannot create a back door that only the good guys can go through,” Alright, technical argument here. This is false and tech talking heads are spreading this lie for ideological reasons. You don't need to backdoor the protocol, just the specific targeted client. Now, if Signal said this is unfair because competitors won't also backdoor their app then I am with them. What the UK should probably have done is to f…

It is a moral duty to oppose majoritarianism that disproportionately harms minorities, the so-called will of the people be damned.

Re: Signal president says company will not comply with U.K. ‘mass surveillance’ law

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Of course. It's a class war. When you say the words "class war" far too few people think about the isomorphism to "actual, real" war, but it's there. Sure, the government isn't dropping bombs on London, but the ends are the same.

When you say those words people think you are a building-burning store-looting far left hooligan, they call you a commie and shove their head into the ground like an ostrich, as if the last N or so years have not been an endless class war.

I don't even know what my class is! Where do I check? How do you know what class you are? I want to know who to help!
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