Eh, if driverless vehicles are between rides and not parked, could police ticket them for cruising?
S.F. says incidents by Cruise, Waymo driverless taxis are ‘skyrocketing.’
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#532Could be summarized by a better title being SF says bullshit as usual
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#533Earlier quoted context omitted.
Absolutely right. To situate in terms of recent events, there have been three stages of trying to delay / influence the California CPUC robotaxi expansion approval vote: 1. Tried a politician scare campaign. Failed because it was too transparent it was an attempted distraction from their terrible public safety record. 2. Tried coning and disabling the vehicles. Failed because it was too transparently astroturfed, leg…
I don't know why the other reply to this post got downvoted to hell. THe person has a point. Fully autonomous cars are cool... don't get me wrong. But electric cars and autonomous electric/gas cars are probably not the right solution to our person transport needs. using energy to move a 4000 lb vehicle to transport one or two 200 lb humans is not energy-efficient... most of the energy is spent just moving the vehicle…
Energy efficiency is less of an issue for cities compared to space efficiency.
It's the fact that moving people with cars takes a shitton of space because cars are big and they carry an average of like 1.5 persons per.
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#534Earlier quoted context omitted.
> A 60lb e-bike can also transport a 200 lb person whilst using far less resources (both to make the vehicle and to operate it) and space. E-bikes are great for the situations, climates, and people who can use them. E-bikes are not a substitute for the majority of people’s transportation needs. I think the young, healthy people who live in moderate climates with good weather, short commutes, and little need to haul a…
Do you mean they can't replace almost all trips for a majority of people, or do you mean they can't replace a majority of trips? I bet they can replace a majority of trips.
They probably could, but it's totally fine to have walking and buses and trains too.
And yes, some trips will still be cars/trucks. Even in places with the best public transit in the world, there are still cars.
Re: S.F. says incidents by Cruise, Waymo driverless taxis are ‘skyrocketing.’
#535"Skyrocket" is a word people use when they don't have the data to support their claim, but want to make it sound as extreme as possible. When I hear "skyrocket" I think "several orders of magnitude in a very short time". But the source of the quote with skyrocket, basically admits that they didn't have any quantitative evidence to support a massive change in incidents. Remember: reality is banal. Things are far bette…
Data appears to be freely available here: https://www.dmv.ca.gov/portal/vehicle-industry-services/auto... . I reviewed a couple dozen incidents and in every case human drivers are to blame. The most extreme example of this was an incident in which a manually operated vehicle repeatedly rear-ended an autonomous vehicle out of spite, then followed it back to the dispatch lot and made a variety of verbal threats.
Self driving cars will share roads with regular cars for possibly decades.
Re: S.F. says incidents by Cruise, Waymo driverless taxis are ‘skyrocketing.’
#536Move fast and break things?
Re: S.F. says incidents by Cruise, Waymo driverless taxis are ‘skyrocketing.’
#537Earlier quoted context omitted.
I don't know why the other reply to this post got downvoted to hell. THe person has a point. Fully autonomous cars are cool... don't get me wrong. But electric cars and autonomous electric/gas cars are probably not the right solution to our person transport needs. using energy to move a 4000 lb vehicle to transport one or two 200 lb humans is not energy-efficient... most of the energy is spent just moving the vehicle…
> A 60lb e-bike can also transport a 200 lb person whilst using far less resources (both to make the vehicle and to operate it) and space. E-bikes are great for the situations, climates, and people who can use them. E-bikes are not a substitute for the majority of people’s transportation needs. I think the young, healthy people who live in moderate climates with good weather, short commutes, and little need to haul a…
But even if they just solve the problem for the average person, that still makes the roads that much better for your edge cases that do need to rely on cars.
For what it’s worth, it’s not that uncommon for European city centres to be pedestrianised. So it’s not like your options are driverless cars or nothing.
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They work for the majority of people of all ages who live in cities where the infrastructure has been properly built to accommodate bikes. Most people rarely need to haul anything and can use carshare when they do. I've demoed a multistory house down to the bricks and re-built it from the outside in without a car. Hired someone to haul off a dumpster several times. For major materials deliveries, like beams or window…
> Most people rarely need to haul anything and can use carshare when they do. Heavy citation needed. I've been remodeling my home for the last 2 years and I'd say on regular (every other week or so) basis I've needed to pick up something from the hardware store that can't be biked home. When I buy groceries for the family for the week, I cannot bike those home. When I need to take a large package to the UPS store a b…
I am not saying you should do grocery shopping like this guy https://youtu.be/H27InrF_eIs
What I do think however is that our perspective why and when a car is needed has been heavily influenced by media.
I just had a conversation with someone who lives in the center of Vienna and he was perplexed that I had to find a parking spot because he did not realize that was even driving a car.
So we should not make assumptions on the need of a car in either direction
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#539Earlier quoted context omitted.
> A 60lb e-bike can also transport a 200 lb person whilst using far less resources (both to make the vehicle and to operate it) and space. E-bikes are great for the situations, climates, and people who can use them. E-bikes are not a substitute for the majority of people’s transportation needs. I think the young, healthy people who live in moderate climates with good weather, short commutes, and little need to haul a…
But even if they just solve the problem for the average person, that still makes the roads that much better for your edge cases that do need to rely on cars. For what it’s worth, it’s not that uncommon for European city centres to be pedestrianised. So it’s not like your options are driverless cars or nothing.
City centres aren't the majority of transport needs.
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#540Earlier quoted context omitted.
> A 60lb e-bike can also transport a 200 lb person whilst using far less resources (both to make the vehicle and to operate it) and space. E-bikes are great for the situations, climates, and people who can use them. E-bikes are not a substitute for the majority of people’s transportation needs. I think the young, healthy people who live in moderate climates with good weather, short commutes, and little need to haul a…
They're also ignoring that they smell terrible when arriving to the office. Nothing like showing up to work all sweaty and stinking all day because you're a "cyclist", somehow their coworkers are meant to tolerate this abhorrent behavior. Downvote all you want; it violates the unwritten social contract you accept when working in a shared office with fellow humans. Furthermore, the spandex looks silly and is worthy of…
As another commenter mentioned, you don’t have to bike (or walk) so fast you turn up drenched in sweat.
But even if you do, since cycling exploded in popularity over the last decade or so, many (most?) offices here in London now have showers, and those that don’t are getting upgraded fast (as tenants are generally not interested in offices without them).
Cities adapt to the needs of their citizens, it becomes a non-issue.