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WordPress Playground: A WordPress that runs entirely in the browser

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Re: WordPress Playground: A WordPress that runs entirely in the browser

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_POST is enough ? Why $ here ?

Are you... asking when you'll get a feature in PHP while not knowing it employs sigils on variable names?

Maybe, it's redundant to waste my seconds of life.

One second to write.

Some seconds to read and parse those $$$.

Re: WordPress Playground: A WordPress that runs entirely in the browser

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Php & WordPress were fun. With that ugly php tag you could get pretty much everything working on the web. All you had to do was edit, save & refresh. No rebuild of code, server restart, compiling Just edit & save. Did it have the tendency to get ugly? Sure. But it was easy, quick and fast. Not every blog and needs a git flow, united, e2e, type-safe double encrypted dev environment. Both PHP & WordPress got shamed for…

Laravel is not a joy. It moved everything in the wrong direction by adding a ton of magic (which murders IDEs) and a ton of version churn.

Re: WordPress Playground: A WordPress that runs entirely in the browser

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Wordpress is one of those things I've plenty of experience with, but leave off my résumé and avoid mentioning to bosses and colleagues, so I won't get roped into that bullshit if it comes up—and it often does , sooner or later. "Wordpress? I can take a look if you need me to, but I don't really know much about that. I think Fred said something about Wordpress the other day, maybe ask him...." I've known others who co…

I have thought about making a plugin. The plugin documentation/architecture is a bit gnarly (at least from what I remember). That being said, I feel like most WordPress plugins are awful. I've sometimes wondered if I could make a better version of X plugin, but I fear I'm missing something - like providing customer support or covering every version of WP.

The plugins are both awful and brilliant at the same time. Well, maybe not so much today. But back before I knew I what I was doing, back before Ruby On Rails really took off, it was pretty awesome to have a Wordpress blog, install a plugin, and suddenly you've got a fully fledged forum section on your site.

Of course the architecture and the mode of installation for those plugins used to be horrendous and fraught with so many problems.

Re: WordPress Playground: A WordPress that runs entirely in the browser

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Wordpress is one of those things I've plenty of experience with, but leave off my résumé and avoid mentioning to bosses and colleagues, so I won't get roped into that bullshit if it comes up—and it often does , sooner or later. "Wordpress? I can take a look if you need me to, but I don't really know much about that. I think Fred said something about Wordpress the other day, maybe ask him...." I've known others who co…

I have thought about making a plugin. The plugin documentation/architecture is a bit gnarly (at least from what I remember). That being said, I feel like most WordPress plugins are awful. I've sometimes wondered if I could make a better version of X plugin, but I fear I'm missing something - like providing customer support or covering every version of WP.

The customer support and testing are key challenges. You have to be ready to help people with things that aren't even your fault if you don't want your rating on the marketplace(s) to go to shit. Plus you'll need to do lots of sales/ads/marketing to get your zero-ratings zero-downloads plugin off the ground, no matter how good it is. Writing a decent and useful plugin is helpful (almost wrote "necessary", but it's actually not—at least the "decent" part) but isn't sufficient to have a successful plugin.

Re: WordPress Playground: A WordPress that runs entirely in the browser

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WordPress is an utter crap in terms of DB design and code. Most plugins are even worse and the whole thing is a total mess. Yet, if you have a client needing this and that you can have them started really quick with WordPress. Need an e-commerce? There are plugins for that. Need an event management? There are plugins. Need an obscure app for truck drivers to share their CVs and communicate with clients? There is prob…

The backend is a terrible mess. But most of the time WP sites are served as cached static assets to the end user so you can still get the load times pretty good (despite the dumpster of a backend/DB).

Re: WordPress Playground: A WordPress that runs entirely in the browser

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Genuine question, can anyone explain what the practical applications of this are to someone who's never developed with Wordpress? Is this a gimmick? A game changer? A nice-to-have?

Seems like a great way to test plugins and themes in a clean environment. Premium themes could use this as their demo too instead of having to keep a demo Wordpress running.

If it's call client side couldn't someone just take the theme and not actually pay for it?

Re: WordPress Playground: A WordPress that runs entirely in the browser

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Genuine question, can anyone explain what the practical applications of this are to someone who's never developed with Wordpress? Is this a gimmick? A game changer? A nice-to-have?

Wordpress operates a plugin & theme marketplace. This could be very nice as a way to demo those products without adding meaningful infrastructure development and operational expenses. [EDIT]: Very nice for WP/Automattic and the people who develop plugins to sell on that marketplace, that is.

The infra cost can be very tiny tho. Digital ocean has 1 click installers for WordPress, which you can use for a few hours and then shutdown and only pay a few pennies.

Re: WordPress Playground: A WordPress that runs entirely in the browser

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No need to dunk on wordpress but it has a lot of history and issues. It would be great to have a modern alternative self-hosted solution that doesn't require static site generation or complex hosting.

Any competitor has a nasty chicken/egg problem to overcome. Wordpress is still hard to avoid because there's a plugin—usually with paid support available—that can do damn near anything. The codebase isn't great, developing against it sucks, and the way it's designed and the official store curated does nothing to prevent some real messes & risks on the database side—but, two days of set-up and $80/m in plugins/themes…

There is a plugin that replaces wordpress itself

Re: WordPress Playground: A WordPress that runs entirely in the browser

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Seems like a great way to test plugins and themes in a clean environment. Premium themes could use this as their demo too instead of having to keep a demo Wordpress running.

If it's call client side couldn't someone just take the theme and not actually pay for it?

Then you don't get updates/fixes. And may need to edit the code after acquiring it, to stop license checks. And you'll need to go to the effort of extracting the relevant files from the environment in the browser.

Overall... yeah, sure, maybe, but anyone with any amount of money in their budget for this at all is just gonna pay instead of dealing with that.

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