S.F. says incidents by Cruise, Waymo driverless taxis are ‘skyrocketing.’
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Re: S.F. says incidents by Cruise, Waymo driverless taxis are ‘skyrocketing.’
#2First, where is the data?
Second, yeah, it's bananas to test large, fast, heavy robots on public streets. The only reason we let it happen is because the robots look like cars.
Third, it's bananas to have large, fast, heavy vehicles everywhere mixed in with all the other traffic. The only reason we let it happen is a mass-marketing campaign (see "The Real Reason Jaywalking Is A Crime" (Adam Ruins Everything) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vxopfjXkArM )
Here is a film "a Trip down Market Street" recorded in San Francisco on April 14, 1906, just before the Great Earthquake. The source of the problem is clear: cars accelerate much faster than horses. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VO_1AdYRGW8
Re: S.F. says incidents by Cruise, Waymo driverless taxis are ‘skyrocketing.’
#3I'm wary about using public roads to test these, but I think the way the data is presented is misleading. I'm not sure how it's misleading, but separating "incidents" into categories (safety, traffic, accident, etc) might be a good start.
For example, I could start coning cruise cars, and cause these numbers to skyrocket. While that's an inconvenience to other drivers, it's not a safety issue at all.
By the way, as a motorcyclist (and thus hyper annoyed at bad driving), I find Uber/Lyft/Food drivers to be both much more dangerous and inconveniencing than these self driving cars. We should have scrutiny on the safety of these machines, but they're hardly the biggest problem facing SF.
Re: S.F. says incidents by Cruise, Waymo driverless taxis are ‘skyrocketing.’
#4The incidents mentioned in the story would have been shared via first responder dispatchers. Seems like the way forward here would be for the city to make this data available to all driverless cars- maybe some sort of data registration with the city- and for the vendors to make it possible to drop these new hazards into the cars' maps promptly. I don't know how these systems work, or if they can work together, but I can write a computer program and there is clearly a looping input that is lacking in this system.
Re: S.F. says incidents by Cruise, Waymo driverless taxis are ‘skyrocketing.’
#5First, where is the data? Second, yeah, it's bananas to test large, fast, heavy robots on public streets. The only reason we let it happen is because the robots look like cars. Third, it's bananas to have large, fast, heavy vehicles everywhere mixed in with all the other traffic. The only reason we let it happen is a mass-marketing campaign (see "The Real Reason Jaywalking Is A Crime" (Adam Ruins Everything) https://…
I think they are training and not testing. I might be wrong, but if I am right, the use of public roads is a necessity. This is how AI works, I guess.
Re: S.F. says incidents by Cruise, Waymo driverless taxis are ‘skyrocketing.’
#6My kneejerk was to say, yeah 1->3 is a tripling. In modern journalistic terms that is 'skyrocketing'.
Then I read TFA. Yep 30->90. 'skyrocketing'.
That's not to say it isn't concerning. The downed wire incident that is the highlight of the story seems quite bad. But human drivers do much, much worse things, with very high frequency. Weekly sideshows, for example. The article is very unfair.
Re: S.F. says incidents by Cruise, Waymo driverless taxis are ‘skyrocketing.’
#7The incidents mentioned in the story would have been shared via first responder dispatchers. Seems like the way forward here would be for the city to make this data available to all driverless cars- maybe some sort of data registration with the city- and for the vendors to make it possible to drop these new hazards into the cars' maps promptly. I don't know how these systems work, or if they can work together, but I…
Mapping apps (Google/Wayze) already have a reporting feature for accidents and hazards, it doesn't seem like that big a leap to either providing first responders with something like or creating some kind of gamified crowd sourced version.
Re: S.F. says incidents by Cruise, Waymo driverless taxis are ‘skyrocketing.’
#8First, where is the data? Second, yeah, it's bananas to test large, fast, heavy robots on public streets. The only reason we let it happen is because the robots look like cars. Third, it's bananas to have large, fast, heavy vehicles everywhere mixed in with all the other traffic. The only reason we let it happen is a mass-marketing campaign (see "The Real Reason Jaywalking Is A Crime" (Adam Ruins Everything) https://…
I think they are training and not testing. I might be wrong, but if I am right, the use of public roads is a necessity. This is how AI works, I guess.
Anyone care to explain why they downvoted this?
Re: S.F. says incidents by Cruise, Waymo driverless taxis are ‘skyrocketing.’
#9First, where is the data? Second, yeah, it's bananas to test large, fast, heavy robots on public streets. The only reason we let it happen is because the robots look like cars. Third, it's bananas to have large, fast, heavy vehicles everywhere mixed in with all the other traffic. The only reason we let it happen is a mass-marketing campaign (see "The Real Reason Jaywalking Is A Crime" (Adam Ruins Everything) https://…
They're not very fast at all, unfortunately, at least for the riders. And they seem to try to pick the longest, least congested paths to get to destination to avoid bumping into too many tough turns that might get them in trouble. Takes easily 2x as long as with an Uber.
Re: S.F. says incidents by Cruise, Waymo driverless taxis are ‘skyrocketing.’
#10Stopped at the paywall. But is this likely a case of the number of driverless taxis skyrocketing itself, and the number of incidents per driverless taxi mile being more or less constant?