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Capitalism good according to capitalism
Look at the bourgeoisie! -- Socialism pointing at subsistence farmers happy at earning a good wage
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Guam: The America that Americans forget
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#222Earlier quoted context omitted.
USA keeping "peace" using Japan as example is detached from reality. The entire reason PRC (and TW and both Korea's and RU via USSR) has DISPUTED maritime borders and territorial claims with Japan (read: not Japanese territory / water) is because USA deliberately kept post war East Asian order unresolved post WW2. There's a reason Japan, the loser of the war, has maritime / territorial disputes with EVERY one of her…
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#223Earlier quoted context omitted.
Ordinary American citizens didn't like the idea of being colonizers, since they had, not long ago, been a colony themselves and fought to free themselves.
> Ordinary American citizens didn't like the idea of being colonizers, since they had, not long ago, been a colony themselves and fought to free themselves. Bad comparison: the American Revolution was a group of colonialists rebelling against their colonialist bosses, not a rebellion of the colonised against the coloniser. Indeed, one of the American Revolution’s complaints was that London was too protective of Nativ…
> Indeed, one of the American Revolution’s complaints was that London was too protective of Native American rights, and was limiting its colonies expansion into Native American territories.
I've never heard of this. Do you have some links to read more about it?
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> A committee of native-born Hawaii citizens, Americans, and Europeans overthrew the monarchy, not the US government. The US didn't annex Hawaii until the Spanish War in 1898 demonstrated the islands' importance to the US. The native-born citizens in the Committee of Safety [0] were almost all second and third generation descendants of Americans. No ethnic Hawaiians were members. While the committee was composed of p…
> The native-born citizens in the Committee of Safety [0] were almost all second and third generation descendants of Americans. No ethnic Hawaiians were members. So because of their ethnicity, they don't count as "native" Hawaiians despite having been born on the islands with birthright citizenship. Got it. One begins to understand why they joined the "Committee of Safety" that plotted the overthrow of the monarchy,…
> So because of their ethnicity, they don't count as "native" Hawaiians despite having been born on the islands with birthright citizenship. Got it.
One of the first things you learn when you spend time in Hawaii is that you don't call yourself a Hawaiian unless you have indigenous roots. These were white Western businessmen with strong American ties. They represented a small minority of Hawaiian nationals, the vast majority of which were ethnically Hawaiian. [0]
0: https://hawaiiankingdom.org/info-census1890.shtml
And please don't make unfounded assumptions about my experience and knowledge of Hawaiian history.
Re: Guam: The America that Americans forget
#225Earlier quoted context omitted.
> The native-born citizens in the Committee of Safety [0] were almost all second and third generation descendants of Americans. No ethnic Hawaiians were members. So because of their ethnicity, they don't count as "native" Hawaiians despite having been born on the islands with birthright citizenship. Got it. One begins to understand why they joined the "Committee of Safety" that plotted the overthrow of the monarchy,…
> So because of their ethnicity, they don't count as "native" Hawaiians despite having been born on the islands with birthright citizenship. Got it. One of the first things you learn when you spend time in Hawaii is that you don't call yourself a Hawaiian unless you have indigenous roots. These were white Western businessmen with strong American ties. They represented a small minority of Hawaiian nationals, the vast…
> One of the first things you learn when you spend time in Hawaii is that you don't call yourself a Hawaiian unless you have indigenous roots.
I am aware of how widespread this blatantly racist practice is, yes.
>And please don't make unfounded assumptions about my experience and knowledge of Hawaiian history.
Taking you at your word, no doubt you are also a supporter of Kamehameha's admissions practices. There's a reason why the Bishop estate has consistently settled lawsuits challenging said practices despite the enormous financial cost; it knows very well that it will lose, both in the courts and in the court of national public opinion.
(This is now when you rush to Wikipedia to look up "Kamehameha School" and "Bishop Estate".)
Re: Guam: The America that Americans forget
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I thought about retiring in Guam someday since Medicare would actually work there. But I can’t imagine it is much nicer than Bali or some parts of Thailand I’m also thinking about (if my health is good 20 years later), and it’s definitely more expensive than.
Bali is incredibly hot and humid
Is it really that different from Guam? It seems to have a similar hot and humid climate, they are both islands of similar size, Bali is just closer to the equator.
Re: Guam: The America that Americans forget
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OTOH I would guesstimate Guam to be much more politically stable than Bali or Thailand.
Thailand perhaps (although I'd note that political instability in Thailand is carefully done to avoid disturbing the tourism industry in anyway). But it's been many years (25? If you count Timor crisis?) since any significant political disturbance in Bali/Indonesia and only 3 years since a coup attempt in Guam/USA.
I visited Thailand multiple times just after military coups, and the only thing I noticed was more things getting poached from my checked luggage. Oh, and sometimes the big shopping malls in Bangkok are closed.
Bali did have that bombing just after 9/11 a while back. Sort of ancient history anyways, but I've loved my trips there.
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These suggestions are cognitive load on the person making the trip. Most people break out in sweats thinking about organizing a trip to begin with, booking something with any complexity or risk is unbearable to them. My parents are both like this.
I had a partner like that. Would freak out if I started driving without our destination already in the GPS. I think at least half of travel should be an adventure. Adventures are uncomfortable - but they make the best stories. Nobody has ever said, "Man, remember that time we went on that perfectly planned trip where nothing out of the ordinary happened? How exciting!"
When you have a kid and a stressful job and adventures shooting out your ears in day to day life, sometimes the idea of going to Guam and swimming in the beautiful waters and relaxing is what you want out of travel. Adventures don’t have to be exotic, I live adventures daily, and I spend a lot of my life uncomfortable. Many people do. The idea of the adhoc adventure trip i think resonated a lot more with me when I was single or newly married. Now, I love a trip to Bora Bora - my wife is very organized and loves travel planning, and we have perfectly executed trips where the excitement is snorkeling with sharks and mantarays rather than spending 48 hours laying on the floor in a foreign airport with a 9 year old.
Re: Guam: The America that Americans forget
#229Guam is also a pretty large interconnection point for submarine cables. Not too many networks break out to layer 3 there, but more traffic than you’d expect passes through (or at least, used to). https://www.submarinecablemap.com/country/guam
OneQode is breaking out layer 3 in Guam, because of its location. https://www.oneqode.com/guam/
Re: Guam: The America that Americans forget
#230I'm from Guam, and half Chamoru. Most of the comments in this thread show the ignorance that this article is pointing out — Americans don't understand the situation in Guam, because they've never had to really pay attention. Guam is a U.S. colony that has benefitted from the U.S., but has also been overrun by Americans and people from Asia, so that Chamorus are now a minority on the island. We've long wanted to have…
I have no particular opinion on Guam or its governance, but if Chamorus are a minority of the people living there (& a minority of the people born there?) it feels kind of unfair for them to unilaterally make major decisions and remove the majority group from the area.
Ex. obviously what American settlers did to mainland Natives was heinous and should not have happened, but it's less clear that Natives of the current generation should be able to unilaterally vote to remove Americans that are born here now.
Is there a dissimilarity with Guam I'm missing?