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An Indiana police department has been using Clearview AI for a year
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Re: An Indiana police department has been using Clearview AI for a year
#32Earlier quoted context omitted.
Evansville, Indiana isn't rural. It's a city of 100,000 people. If you take the entire county it's closer to 200k. Regardless, using this software to spy on people, illegally identify people etc is just F'd up.
Fair enough. I've never heard of the place, but my point stands.
No it doesn't. Your point is nonsense.
Re: An Indiana police department has been using Clearview AI for a year
#33All these tools and murder clearance rates are still historical low.
https://www.npr.org/2023/04/29/1172775448/people-murder-unso...
Re: An Indiana police department has been using Clearview AI for a year
#34Earlier quoted context omitted.
Evansville, Indiana isn't rural. It's a city of 100,000 people. If you take the entire county it's closer to 200k. Regardless, using this software to spy on people, illegally identify people etc is just F'd up.
Yeah, it's about as rural as Santa Barbara.
These two municipalities may have similar populations, but this statement is not really fair. Evansville is the only major population center for anyone within a ~75-100 miles from it in most directions. It is absolutely a rural "city"; businesses in Evansville have a significant number of their employees commuting from ~500-5000 person towns in Southern Illinois, Western Kentucky, and Southwestern Indiana.
It is significantly more rural than Santa Barbara and I can't imagine comparing the two locations unless you have never visited the American Midwest.
Re: An Indiana police department has been using Clearview AI for a year
#35The focus on police & government use of this sort of technology strikes me as misguided when there are an increasing number of publicly available tools that do the same thing. I’m sure that Clearview has depth that other tools don’t, but Pimeyes does a pretty damned good job of identifying almost any face you feed into it - it’s also free and publicly available! I’m all for restricting the use of this sort of technol…
Nothing in recent years about the culpability of local US police departments in constitutional violations, crimes, corruption, and their lack of accountability and tendency to hire bullies who have been 'fired' from other departments for blatantly illegal actions has led you to question giving them access to more surveillance tools with no oversight? > a moot point if we only focus on government sanctioned software p…
I don’t disagree with anything you said - I just think it’s a case of missing the forest for the trees if we single out government purchases when many of these tools are well on their way to broad availability anyway. It feels like suspicion of and focus on government is occluding the larger problem here. The public may not have the legal authority to break down doors and generally take matters into their own hands, but that certainly doesn’t stop people from doing so.
Re: An Indiana police department has been using Clearview AI for a year
#36So i'm in favor of police going back to the basics, good old-fashioned detective work. The forensics are not what they're cracked up to be, there's very little verifiability n verification, too easy for the forensics lab to lie through their teeth or contaminate the scene of the crime. Like when the Duke Lacross players had to hire a very expensive lawyer to do the messy work of proving evidence actually traced back…
It's not enough for the police to discover (to their own satisfaction) who committed a crime. The point is to prosecute the offender or otherwise resolve it in a way that protects the public.
"Old-fashioned detective work" doesn't help with that at all. What does it turn up? Eyewitnesses? About the worst evidence possible, on par with dreams and reading tea leaves. Sometimes it bullies someone into perjury. That's not even evidence at all.
Forensics are about the only thing that counts as real evidence outside of capturing crimes on video. And if they seem to cause bad results, it's probably because we're not doing it enough. Hell, we have the technology to prove to anyone's satisfaction that chain of custody hasn't been broken... no one's bothered to build the product.
Re: An Indiana police department has been using Clearview AI for a year
#37Earlier quoted context omitted.
This country was founded without police. https://time.com/4779112/police-history-origins/
That's not exactly what the article says. It just says that the police forces were largely privatized and part-time. Naturally that changed as the country grew. This feeds a strange notion that society was just fine without police. It wasn't.
> It just says that the police forces were largely privatized and part-time.
That's just disingenuous. These "police forces" were nothing like anything we have today, either in degree or kind. I don't know the name of this particular fallacy, but it's when you imagine something from modern life must have existed previous to this era, if but more primitive. There just wasn't any equivalent.
If we could time travel and go experience the late 1700s, we wouldn't say "oh, so those sheriffs and those US marshals were the police, I didn't recognize the uniform!". We'd be amazed and disturbed by how different life was in that regard.
Re: An Indiana police department has been using Clearview AI for a year
#38All these tools and murder clearance rates are still historical low. https://www.npr.org/2023/04/29/1172775448/people-murder-unso...
NPR a few years ago: "Defund the police, all cops are bastards, snitches get stitches!"
NPR Today: "Why are murders going unsolved?"
Re: An Indiana police department has been using Clearview AI for a year
#39All these tools and murder clearance rates are still historical low. https://www.npr.org/2023/04/29/1172775448/people-murder-unso...
NPR a few years ago: "Defund the police, all cops are bastards, snitches get stitches!" NPR Today: "Why are murders going unsolved?"
The answer, clearly, is because of NPR.
Re: An Indiana police department has been using Clearview AI for a year
#40All these tools and murder clearance rates are still historical low. https://www.npr.org/2023/04/29/1172775448/people-murder-unso...
NPR a few years ago: "Defund the police, all cops are bastards, snitches get stitches!" NPR Today: "Why are murders going unsolved?"
Two questions:
1. Can you point me to where NPR said “snitches get stitches”
2. Which police departments precisely were defunded?