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Sarah Silverman is suing OpenAI and Meta for copyright infringement

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Re: Sarah Silverman is suing OpenAI and Meta for copyright infringement

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> The complaint lays out in steps why the plaintiffs believe the datasets have illicit origins — in a Meta paper detailing LLaMA, the company points to sources for its training datasets, one of which is called ThePile, which was assembled by a company called EleutherAI. ThePile, the complaint points out, was described in an EleutherAI paper as being put together from “a copy of the contents of the Bibliotik private t…

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Re: Sarah Silverman is suing OpenAI and Meta for copyright infringement

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> If you downloaded a book from that website, you would be sued and found guilty of infringement. How often does this actually happen? You might get handed an infringement notice, and your ISP might terminate your service if you're really egregious about it, but I haven't ever heard of someone actually being sued for downloading something.

Whether or not it's enforced, it's illegal and copyright holders are within their rights to sue you. This is piratebay levels of piracy but because it's done by a large company and is sufficiently obfuscated behind tech, people don't see it the same way.

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Re: Sarah Silverman is suing OpenAI and Meta for copyright infringement

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I wondered whether ChatGPT still had access to the novels. After using the DAN prompt, I asked ChatGPT to tell me the first 1000 words of Sarah Silverman's book The Bedwetter.

It replied with 462 words, not 1000, but they do look like they probably are from the beginning of the book. I haven't checked whether the text it has output is correct yet, but if it matches I suppose that proves that the text is at least in the training material, i.e. it is not referencing other summaries.

After using the DAN prompt, I did not need to ask ChatGPT it to 'stay in character' or 'try harder' for it to output the text. Without using DAN, it responded:

"I'm sorry, but as an AI language model, I don't have direct access to specific books or their contents. I can generate text based on my training, but I don't have the ability to retrieve specific excerpts from books unless they are publicly available online.

However, I can provide you with a general overview of Sarah Silverman's book, "The Bedwetter: Stories of Courage, Redemption, and Pee." "The Bedwetter" is a memoir written by American comedian Sarah Silverman, published in 2010. The book explores Silverman's personal experiences and anecdotes from her childhood to adulthood. ..."

Re: Sarah Silverman is suing OpenAI and Meta for copyright infringement

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> The complaint lays out in steps why the plaintiffs believe the datasets have illicit origins — in a Meta paper detailing LLaMA, the company points to sources for its training datasets, one of which is called ThePile, which was assembled by a company called EleutherAI. ThePile, the complaint points out, was described in an EleutherAI paper as being put together from “a copy of the contents of the Bibliotik private t…

Why do you blame Facebook and not ElutherAI?

Re: Sarah Silverman is suing OpenAI and Meta for copyright infringement

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> The complaint lays out in steps why the plaintiffs believe the datasets have illicit origins — in a Meta paper detailing LLaMA, the company points to sources for its training datasets, one of which is called ThePile, which was assembled by a company called EleutherAI. ThePile, the complaint points out, was described in an EleutherAI paper as being put together from “a copy of the contents of the Bibliotik private t…

Let's take a second to remember that copyright is the reason ~every child doesn't have access to ~every book ever written. While it might be too disruptive to eliminate copyright overnight, we should remember that our world will be much better and improve much faster to the extent we can reduce copyright's impact. And we should cheer it on when it happens. A majority of the world's population in 2023 has a smartphone…

How many books would not exist if copyright had the suggested reduced impact?

Re: Sarah Silverman is suing OpenAI and Meta for copyright infringement

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A fundamental property of theft is that the action deprives someone of something they had. Piracy is not theft-adjacent. It has nothing do to with theft. It's a completely different concept.

No, a fundamental property of theft is that it is the taking of that which does not belong to you - which clearly includes piracy.

That's an interesting thought. So when I overhear a conversation which was not aimed at me I am stealing. Quite an interesting definition with widereaching implication

Re: Sarah Silverman is suing OpenAI and Meta for copyright infringement

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Second-order effects matter, though: If everyone is allowed to steal books, what's the incentive for experts to write new ones, and for the publishers to reward them for it? Btw, not a fan of "but what about the kids" rhetoric: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Think_of_the_children

> If everyone is allowed to steal books Nothing was stolen- just copied.

Actually very much the revenue for each purchase that didn't happen this way was stolen. I'm not a pitacy Hardliner and don't see an issue with someone in a bad financial spot pirating things but this is bullshit.

Re: Sarah Silverman is suing OpenAI and Meta for copyright infringement

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If I use your copied credit card to buy software, all that happens is (a) some bits get written to my computer's hard disk and (b) some bits get written to a Visa or Mastercard server's hard disk. Why would you get upset about that? EDIT: ok, it's fun playing obtuse, but more seriously it is also very obtuse to pretend that intellectual property is not property. I think you have to be pretty stupid to not understand…

It is not playing obtuse to think "I also have a copy of an ebook" is different from "I have literally stolen your property".

Unless the contents of the ebook are my property, in which case you have stolen my property.
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