Does anyone have information on if it actually is working? Privacy and civil rights violations aside for a moment, how did it do?
This is what you can do with it https://www.police1.com/investigations/articles/judge-blocks...
An Indiana police department has been using Clearview AI for a year
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Re: An Indiana police department has been using Clearview AI for a year
#22The focus on police & government use of this sort of technology strikes me as misguided when there are an increasing number of publicly available tools that do the same thing.
I’m sure that Clearview has depth that other tools don’t, but Pimeyes does a pretty damned good job of identifying almost any face you feed into it - it’s also free and publicly available!
I’m all for restricting the use of this sort of technology by police departments and government, but this becomes a moot point if we only focus on government sanctioned software purchases. If I were a detective I’d just be feeding a suspects’ picture into Pimeyes on my personal device. I’m also equally if not more afraid of a future where these tools are available to private companies and the general public.
Re: An Indiana police department has been using Clearview AI for a year
#23Earlier quoted context omitted.
Sweet summer child. To truly "get it" you have to unlearn the years of systemic and structural conditioning from the capital class before I'd even dream of going into the nuances of vanguardism. Your struggle with False Consciousness is totally relatable but can only be overcome with the warm guidance of Lenin. Come brother, it's totally not a cult.
This but unironically.
Irony is a Western frivolity. You balkanize the movement by questioning my integrity? Comrade, you will be dealt with.
Re: An Indiana police department has been using Clearview AI for a year
#24It's kind of funny to watch Masnick wiggle around on this one. He wants to love web scraping. He's spent his entire career defending it to please the big tech firms that support him. But now he wants to play angry anti-police activist on this one particular use of the approach.
I'm sure he's perfectly happy with Google continuing to maintain their image database scraped from the web. So I really can't see why he's bothering to weigh in on this one.
Re: An Indiana police department has been using Clearview AI for a year
#25This country was founded on checks and balances. Without adversarial checks on the police, our country is literally done for.
This country was founded without police. https://time.com/4779112/police-history-origins/
That's not exactly what the article says. It just says that the police forces were largely privatized and part-time. Naturally that changed as the country grew.
This feeds a strange notion that society was just fine without police. It wasn't.
Re: An Indiana police department has been using Clearview AI for a year
#26So i'm in favor of police going back to the basics, good old-fashioned detective work. The forensics are not what they're cracked up to be, there's very little verifiability n verification, too easy for the forensics lab to lie through their teeth or contaminate the scene of the crime. Like when the Duke Lacross players had to hire a very expensive lawyer to do the messy work of proving evidence actually traced back to three other men that same day, that was noted as very difficult forensic work because OF COURSE the DA didn't want verification. Local DA Dan Nifong wanted to tamper w it, anything to pull off the lynching, mostly out of sadism n participating in the culture. Three equals three, easy to see it was three men's evidence left behind in Candice Mangum's evidence place, figured it would be a slam dunk requiring only a little bit of finesse. This lawyer got commended in front of all America by the legal profession, n proved Candice Mangum was pretty much correct it would be a slam dunk. It was only when these young men scraped together huge money for the hardcore IDEALISTIC civil rights lawyer (unicorn basically) to counter the momentum of the shakedown w perfect lawyering against Nifong's zero shame of screwing up on purpose w all the evidence--an uphill battle all the way...in 2006 iirc, like now in 2023 again.
Re: An Indiana police department has been using Clearview AI for a year
#27So i'm in favor of police going back to the basics, good old-fashioned detective work. The forensics are not what they're cracked up to be, there's very little verifiability n verification, too easy for the forensics lab to lie through their teeth or contaminate the scene of the crime. Like when the Duke Lacross players had to hire a very expensive lawyer to do the messy work of proving evidence actually traced back…
You would be more persuasive if you didn't obviously have some kind of fixation with one court case.
Re: An Indiana police department has been using Clearview AI for a year
#28The focus on police & government use of this sort of technology strikes me as misguided when there are an increasing number of publicly available tools that do the same thing. I’m sure that Clearview has depth that other tools don’t, but Pimeyes does a pretty damned good job of identifying almost any face you feed into it - it’s also free and publicly available! I’m all for restricting the use of this sort of technol…
Nothing in recent years about the culpability of local US police departments in constitutional violations, crimes, corruption, and their lack of accountability and tendency to hire bullies who have been 'fired' from other departments for blatantly illegal actions has led you to question giving them access to more surveillance tools with no oversight?
> a moot point if we only focus on government sanctioned software purchases.
As far as I know, the public doesn't legally have the ability to bust your door down, shoot your dog, and put you in a room you can't leave until you pay them a bunch of money so you can wait for someone to tell you didn't do anything wrong.
Re: An Indiana police department has been using Clearview AI for a year
#29So i'm in favor of police going back to the basics, good old-fashioned detective work. The forensics are not what they're cracked up to be, there's very little verifiability n verification, too easy for the forensics lab to lie through their teeth or contaminate the scene of the crime. Like when the Duke Lacross players had to hire a very expensive lawyer to do the messy work of proving evidence actually traced back…
You would be more persuasive if you didn't obviously have some kind of fixation with one court case.
Also formatting, references and not reducing are to r.
I'm sorry man, it's so difficult to parse all that you said and I really want to. Not enough to research on a Friday evening after a hell week though - and that part is on me.
Re: An Indiana police department has been using Clearview AI for a year
#30This country was founded on checks and balances. Without adversarial checks on the police, our country is literally done for.
I'm sorry my man, but from the outside? That's just a thing that is said and never acted upon.