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Re: Meta to release open-source commercial AI model

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Post by mtillman »

fullshark wrote: post #20
pueblito wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think the strategy is more to prevent competitors from monetizing

That's a huge reason to do it also, but it also makes sense if you have researchers + developers improving the engine of something that powers your product. The moat / competitive advantage at FB is their network, not so much the proprietary underlying tech.

People often say this but having interviewed ~200 facebook engineers over the years, their scaling tech around both software and hardware is pretty impressive.

Re: Meta to release open-source commercial AI model

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Post by satvikpendem »

40yearoldman wrote: post #17

Is the title an oxymoron? Open-source commercial?

No, you can sell open source software commercially. That being said, I'm wondering if the license will truly be open source or more like Stable Diffusion's license which is not really open source.

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Post by gpm »

40yearoldman wrote: post #17

Is the title an oxymoron? Open-source commercial?

Commercial presumably as opposed to non-commercial licensing (e.g. the CC BY-NC license, or the weird situation LLaMa is in).

If you listen to the definition the Open Source Initiative would have applied to the term open source had they succeeded in acquiring rights to the term, then commercial is redundant with open source, not the opposite of it.

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Post by treprinum »

pueblito wrote: post #4
Jeff_Brown wrote: post #2

What's the monetization model here? Is this a closed-source version of their open-source model? (That's suggested by the phrase in the article, "a commercial version of LLaMA, its open-source large language model".)

I think the strategy is more to prevent competitors from monetizing

You still need to build real-time serving infrastructure on top of LLaMA/Vicuna/Alpaca in order to compete with ChatGPT/OpenAI so it's not going to be done by that many companies and OpenAI already has a mindshare/first mover advantage.

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Post by fullshark »

mtillman wrote: post #21
fullshark wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's a huge reason to do it also, but it also makes sense if you have researchers + developers improving the engine of something that powers your product. The moat / competitive advantage at FB is their network, not so much the proprietary underlying tech.

People often say this but having interviewed ~200 facebook engineers over the years, their scaling tech around both software and hardware is pretty impressive.

Yeah I guess it's a competitive advantage when a competitor (Twitter) is showing to have technical problems operating at global scale with a smaller team. Their scale is not trivial by any means. But people aren't going to go to FB because they have the best LLM, makes sense to offload that development to the open source community.

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Post by TechnicolorByte »

Jeff_Brown wrote: post #2

What's the monetization model here? Is this a closed-source version of their open-source model? (That's suggested by the phrase in the article, "a commercial version of LLaMA, its open-source large language model".)

Like others said it’s probably to commoditize their competition. The models don’t matter so much as ownership of the platform and critical data. Which is why OpenAI is in a tricky position (although I guess they’re partnered with Microsoft).

It seems like the existing large platforms of today—Microsoft’s enterprise moat, Google’s ads and internet services, Meta’s social networks, Apple’s consumer and mobile products—will remain the primary platforms of the future. So having models that can operate exclusively on those platforms via integration to their key products and date will only continue this trend. If you’re an outsider with an AI model, you’ll have a harder time getting access to critical data and your standalone AI product (e.g., ChatGPT) won’t be as useful.

More broadly speaking, I believe the days where the top X largest companies in the stock company would be displaced by newer companies every decade or so is over. The FAANGs just control so many major platforms in so many aspects of our lives.

Re: Meta to release open-source commercial AI model

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Post by jerrygenser »

Jeff_Brown wrote: post #2

What's the monetization model here? Is this a closed-source version of their open-source model? (That's suggested by the phrase in the article, "a commercial version of LLaMA, its open-source large language model".)

Based on the podcast with Lex Friedman and Mark Zuckerberg, see ~minute 30.

My hypothesis based on the context of Mark discussing the release is that it's going to be completely open source and can licensed to be used commercially. Not that Meta is going to add a whole new revenue side of business to compete with OpenAI. i.e. "Here is model, with commercially permissive licensing" not "Here is model that you can use commercially but must pay me"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ff4fRgnuFgQ&ab_channel=LexFr...

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