Live data from Hacker News

LulzSec brought down by own leader

foxnews.com

81–90 of 139 posts

Re: LulzSec brought down by own leader

#81
From the rt story:

> Monsegur pled guilty to several charges of computer hacking conspiracy, for which he could receive a maximum of 124 years behind bars.

That's what a serial killer would get. US law is ridiculously tilt to corporations.

Re: LulzSec brought down by own leader

#83
post #17

shocker... but like anonymous/lulzsec continuously said, you cant kill an idea. another group doing it for the lulz perhaps soon or later will come up

you cant kill an idea Yet no one worships Melqart any longer.

Or, a bit more recently, Catharism was killed very successfully by the Catholic Church and a lot of soldiers:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catharism

You can kill an idea.

Re: LulzSec brought down by own leader

#84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How do you know they haven't already? Committed+careful+smart probably wouldn't issue press releases.

Sure they would, they'd just be smarter about it. The point of hacktivism is publicity. If no one knows what you're doing, you're not being particularly effective.

I'd say the point is to inflict financial pain on who they are attacking, the publicity comes second.

Re: LulzSec brought down by own leader

#85
"The offshoot of the loose network of hackers, Anonymous, believed to have caused billions of dollars in damage to governments, international banks and corporations..."

Wait .. what ... !?

We are talking about those guys with The Love Boat theme right?

Re: LulzSec brought down by own leader

#86
post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Actually, criminal copyright infringement is a $250k fine, 5 year felony, in the US. Pretty amazing. You are vastly more likely to be prosecuted criminally if you're part of a group, and especially if you focus on 0-days. Even more likely if you sell things, charge for advertising on your site, etc. The DrinkOrDie people got a lot of 3-5 year sentences. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Buccaneer

Parent posts are probably talking about 0-day exploits rather than 0-day warez.

Doh, of course.

DMCA still makes some 0-day exploit research not totally safe, either. https://www.eff.org/wp/unintended-consequences-under-dmca I don't know if anyone has been successfully convicted, but a lot of prosecutions have come up, and that's enough to deter many people.

Re: LulzSec brought down by own leader

#87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How do you know they haven't already? Committed+careful+smart probably wouldn't issue press releases.

Sure they would, they'd just be smarter about it. The point of hacktivism is publicity. If no one knows what you're doing, you're not being particularly effective.

I want to refute your point with the mention of Stuxnet. Please correct me if I'm wrong but up until now there are no groups that have owned up to the virus. There's evidence and much speculation to point it towards Israel gov't but no definitive proof.

A lot of the content that surrounded Stuxnet also hints to further organizations existing behind the veil. There were at a minimum 3 0-day exploits present in the virus that would have to have been operated from behind the scenes. It is extremely unlikely that a single group was able to create such a virus without external resources.

In the end you don't need to issue press releases and the like. You need to get in, do your damage and get out. Let the damage reveal itself in time and its considered massively successful. Those fighting the Iran nuclear program did more while keeping their mouths shut than any loud group ever has.

Re: LulzSec brought down by own leader

#89
post #81

From the rt story: > Monsegur pled guilty to several charges of computer hacking conspiracy, for which he could receive a maximum of 124 years behind bars. That's what a serial killer would get. US law is ridiculously tilt to corporations.

Note that he hasn't actually been sentenced to 124 years. We're talking about multiple stacking charges here. You could get multiple charges of parking too far from the curb and it could add up to thousands of dollars, but that doesn't mean the parking fine is too much.

More than likely, it'll be reduced to a sane amount when the compile the charges. 5 years, maybe 10 (maybe more). The actual sentence (minimum sentences notwithstanding) is almost always up to the judge.

Re: LulzSec brought down by own leader

#90
post #81

From the rt story: > Monsegur pled guilty to several charges of computer hacking conspiracy, for which he could receive a maximum of 124 years behind bars. That's what a serial killer would get. US law is ridiculously tilt to corporations.

[deleted]
Post reply on HN