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Re: Once hailed for decriminalizing drugs, Portugal is now having doubts

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Post by [deleted] » Fri, Jul 14, 2023, 1:57 AM UTC

peoplefromibiza wrote: post #647

DropInIn wrote: post #646

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> May you live in the world as you would have it, so long as you live as the least advantaged. (this is technically a curse, I'll let you decide if you prefer to call it Schadenfreude or malevolence) A curse? It's technically a blessing on any Decent person ... It's only a curse on those who want inequality and others to suffer.... Which is exactly what you are from everything youve shown, so you deserve exactly that…

> A curse? It's technically a blessing on any Decent person Not in my book. The least advantaged are the people dying in the Mediterranean sea right now or fighting a war or having too little to eat for them and their children. Maybe it is for those who believe in that book where a person named God kills the people he doesn't like. But I guess one could read it as "if everyone is the least advantaged, there are no le…

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Re: Once hailed for decriminalizing drugs, Portugal is now having doubts

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Post by DropInIn » Fri, Jul 14, 2023, 1:57 AM UTC

peoplefromibiza wrote: post #647

DropInIn wrote: post #646

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> May you live in the world as you would have it, so long as you live as the least advantaged. (this is technically a curse, I'll let you decide if you prefer to call it Schadenfreude or malevolence) A curse? It's technically a blessing on any Decent person ... It's only a curse on those who want inequality and others to suffer.... Which is exactly what you are from everything youve shown, so you deserve exactly that…

> A curse? It's technically a blessing on any Decent person Not in my book. The least advantaged are the people dying in the Mediterranean sea right now or fighting a war or having too little to eat for them and their children. Maybe it is for those who believe in that book where a person named God kills the people he doesn't like. But I guess one could read it as "if everyone is the least advantaged, there are no le…

Actively ignored the part "world as you would have it" which provides the option to have a world without any of the evils you list.

Either you're actively choosing to present as willfully ignorant Or you are a genuine effing moron who can't comprehend simple single sentence statements.

In either case, you should refrain from engaging with any other humans on any issue of substance, ever again.

Given the rest of your pointless diatribe, I'm going with the former and that you're a worthless excuse for a human more aptly labelled a massive trolling pos.

Re: Once hailed for decriminalizing drugs, Portugal is now having doubts

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Post by peoplefromibiza » Fri, Jul 14, 2023, 9:07 AM UTC

DropInIn wrote: post #652

peoplefromibiza wrote: post #647

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> A curse? It's technically a blessing on any Decent person Not in my book. The least advantaged are the people dying in the Mediterranean sea right now or fighting a war or having too little to eat for them and their children. Maybe it is for those who believe in that book where a person named God kills the people he doesn't like. But I guess one could read it as "if everyone is the least advantaged, there are no le…

Actively ignored the part "world as you would have it" which provides the option to have a world without any of the evils you list. Either you're actively choosing to present as willfully ignorant Or you are a genuine effing moron who can't comprehend simple single sentence statements. In either case, you should refrain from engaging with any other humans on any issue of substance, ever again. Given the rest of your…

> Actively ignored the part "world as you would have it" which provides the option to have a world without any of the evils you list.

I don't believe in fairy tales.

I am an adult person, sorry, you can try that with your kids if you want.

That option does not exist for many people who are living in hell right now.

> Either you're actively choosing to present as willfully ignorant

Still waiting to ear what you did to help other people in your life to cast a judgement on other people.

Apart from your bla bla bla bla, your self entitled attitude and your self-congratulation syndrome, you seem to be simply an enraged kid full of bullshit.

> Given the rest of your pointless diatribe, I'm going with the former and that you're a worthless excuse for a human more aptly labelled a massive trolling pos.

bla bla bla bla

If you are older than 18, you got a big problem man.

Either that or you are one of those catholic zealots that have ruined this World.

I feel pity for you, honestly.

If you were my son, I would do anything in my power to help you.

Unfortunately your parents are not like me, apparently.

Re: Once hailed for decriminalizing drugs, Portugal is now having doubts

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Post by gretch » Fri, Jul 14, 2023, 11:24 AM UTC

isaacremuant wrote: post #640

gretch wrote: post #610

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Yeah I absolutely believe it. If you were riding a public bus, and you had the option of sitting next to 1) a person on crack or 2) a person not on crack, which do you choose? Also, how about you present a counter position to the argument? Otherwise next time just type “u r dumb” and save yourself a couple of characters in typing.

Ban alcohol then, because I'd rather sit next to sober people than those who aren't. Ban videogames too. And walking around with hockey sticks. What a absurdly basic argument. And you thought it was poignant?

Believe it or not if you go out in the street and talk to real people, you are going to find that the vast majority of them find (playing video games) to be in a significantly different category than (smoking crack). You don’t have to believe me about it. Just speak with your neighbors and conduct your own poll.

Btw, yes, public intoxication is against the law in many places in the world. Pretty standard rule.

Re: Once hailed for decriminalizing drugs, Portugal is now having doubts

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Post by DropInIn » Fri, Jul 14, 2023, 3:39 PM UTC

peoplefromibiza wrote: post #653

DropInIn wrote: post #652

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Actively ignored the part "world as you would have it" which provides the option to have a world without any of the evils you list. Either you're actively choosing to present as willfully ignorant Or you are a genuine effing moron who can't comprehend simple single sentence statements. In either case, you should refrain from engaging with any other humans on any issue of substance, ever again. Given the rest of your…

> Actively ignored the part "world as you would have it" which provides the option to have a world without any of the evils you list. I don't believe in fairy tales. I am an adult person, sorry, you can try that with your kids if you want. That option does not exist for many people who are living in hell right now . > Either you're actively choosing to present as willfully ignorant Still waiting to ear what you did t…

You're a terrible person

No amount of words changes that

Re: Once hailed for decriminalizing drugs, Portugal is now having doubts

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Post by isaacremuant » Fri, Jul 14, 2023, 4:28 PM UTC

gretch wrote: post #654

isaacremuant wrote: post #640

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Ban alcohol then, because I'd rather sit next to sober people than those who aren't. Ban videogames too. And walking around with hockey sticks. What a absurdly basic argument. And you thought it was poignant?

Believe it or not if you go out in the street and talk to real people, you are going to find that the vast majority of them find (playing video games) to be in a significantly different category than (smoking crack). You don’t have to believe me about it. Just speak with your neighbors and conduct your own poll. Btw, yes, public intoxication is against the law in many places in the world. Pretty standard rule.

I probably go out in the world and talk to more real people than you, hence I don't have to make a poor argument.

My neighbours also are not particularly relevant to form a good argument. If my neighbours are all staunch believers in some deity, doesn't mean it's a good argument to believe in one.

> Btw, yes, public intoxication is against the law in many places in the world. Pretty standard rule.

So is homosexuality. Doesn't mean it's a positive thing or that it solves the problem it's supposed to solve for society. Unless you just want the "ugly people out of your way", in which case killing them could also work, but you probably would have some argument against that, but prison seems fine, right?

Re: Once hailed for decriminalizing drugs, Portugal is now having doubts

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Post by 99_00 » Fri, Jul 14, 2023, 4:42 PM UTC

Aerroon wrote: post #638

99_00 wrote: post #617

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You don't know that you have asthma because you haven't been diagnosed by a doctor.

> You don't know that you have asthma because you haven't been diagnosed by a doctor. Sure I do. A doctor has told me as much on at least two different occasions. Once when I was a young child and again later. But because I lost my insurance I didn't get treatment in-between, so I have to get rediagnosed. Jim other words, I'm just going to be relying on caffeine when breathing gets hard.

You're right, in your case you shouldn't need to see a doctor. However, that doesn't mean that there should be free access to any prescription drug. The system has serious issues that cause great harm to people like you. And we don't know what harm would exist with unrestricted access. Given the average person's confidence compared to their intelligence, and the effects of cognitive dissonance, bias, other thinking errors, it's reasonable to assume it will be worse.

Where I live pharmacists can diagnose and prescribe for some conditions. Other countries have similar systems that allow lower risk medications to be prescribed by people other than doctors for low risk conditions.

Ultimately, if you can't afford the doctors visit, I wonder if you can afford the medication. At least some asthma medication is expensive.

Re: Once hailed for decriminalizing drugs, Portugal is now having doubts

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Post by 99_00 » Fri, Jul 14, 2023, 4:53 PM UTC

randomdata wrote: post #222

99_00 wrote: post #212

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It shouldn't. Vancouver and Portugal have very different policy. In Portugal drug possession, use are illegal. They aren't criminal but are illegal and carry penalties at special drug courts which give less protect to defendents. Also, Vancouver's downtown core hardly had any families and things families need simply aren't available downtown.

> Vancouver and Portugal have very different policy. They shouldn't be all that different. Vancouver (well, British Columbia) has tried to model its decriminalization efforts after Portugal's. That decriminalization hasn't even been around for more than a handful of months, though, so it seems rather early for Vancouver to also be having doubts. Nobody was expecting things to change overnight; Health Canada allowed u…

You're not hearing what I said.

In Portugal drug possession, use are not criminal but they are illegal and carry penalties.

In BC possession for personal use is legal. There are no penalties.

That is not the same.

Re: Once hailed for decriminalizing drugs, Portugal is now having doubts

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Post by peoplefromibiza » Sat, Jul 15, 2023, 12:58 PM UTC

DropInIn wrote: post #655

peoplefromibiza wrote: post #653

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> Actively ignored the part "world as you would have it" which provides the option to have a world without any of the evils you list. I don't believe in fairy tales. I am an adult person, sorry, you can try that with your kids if you want. That option does not exist for many people who are living in hell right now . > Either you're actively choosing to present as willfully ignorant Still waiting to ear what you did t…

You're a terrible person No amount of words changes that

> You're a terrible person

said the person that never helped anybody, except his ego...

still here? are you so alone in this World?

Listen kid, I really would like to be here for you as long as you need it, but I got my own family to spend time with, so take care, please find someone to talk IRL and stop being so angry all the time.

It only hurts you.

Re: Once hailed for decriminalizing drugs, Portugal is now having doubts

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Post by DropInIn » Thu, Jul 20, 2023, 1:51 AM UTC

peoplefromibiza wrote: post #659

DropInIn wrote: post #655

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You're a terrible person No amount of words changes that

> You're a terrible person said the person that never helped anybody, except his ego... still here? are you so alone in this World? Listen kid, I really would like to be here for you as long as you need it, but I got my own family to spend time with, so take care, please find someone to talk IRL and stop being so angry all the time. It only hurts you.

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