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Actors union will join writers on strike, shutting down Hollywood

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Re: Actors union will join writers on strike, shutting down Hollywood

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The same could be said for the union. Why should either side be forced to make concessions?

Same argument could be made in the vein of why should one side be forced to accept the other's demands unilaterally? Thus the deadlock and the strike. After all, each side making concessions is how this usually works.

Indeed, and if both sides want to wait each other out, it seems like that's what will happen, only that it will end much worse on one side, it seems.

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Unions are a critical counterbalance to the power of corporations. Hardly perfect, but we'll be sorry when they're gone.

With the major advances in AI threatening to further take power from the many and give it to the few, I definitely agree.

No, open source AI is booming. It's set to be a more democratizing force than anything, when some kid in on their laptop can make an entire feature length film using just the ideas from their brain rather than having to hire people to produce, direct, act in, and edit their production.

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> Would I pay for an AI-based infinite album maker? You bet! it sounds like you don't even like art what exactly do you feel when you listen to music? what makes you want to listen to music? what drew you to rush and pink floyd in the first place? i ask because my subjective answers to those questions are diametrically opposed to some theoretical generative AI album maker

Should I like art only if they're made by humans? If I did a blind test between AI and humans and I like the AI, does that make me suddenly not like "art?" Face it, I (along with most people) like the outputs of art, not the inputs. We simply don't care whether a human or a computer or a dog made it, as long as the output is good. If you want to define "art" as only a human thing, go ahead, but I will still watch and…

Then you don't like art, you like the product of art, the form or topography of art, the presentation of it, but not art itself. You like to consume a product.

Some people do actually like the art, the process, the artist, the questions that art open (even if mundane such as "how did they think of this?"). Remove that and it's just a shell, a hollow product without soul. It's ok if you like that but then you don't actually like art.

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Should I like art only if they're made by humans? If I did a blind test between AI and humans and I like the AI, does that make me suddenly not like "art?" Face it, I (along with most people) like the outputs of art, not the inputs. We simply don't care whether a human or a computer or a dog made it, as long as the output is good. If you want to define "art" as only a human thing, go ahead, but I will still watch and…

Then you don't like art, you like the product of art, the form or topography of art, the presentation of it, but not art itself. You like to consume a product. Some people do actually like the art, the process, the artist, the questions that art open (even if mundane such as "how did they think of this?"). Remove that and it's just a shell, a hollow product without soul. It's ok if you like that but then you don't ac…

Sounds good, I don't actually care about "art" then, based on your definition.

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This is factually incorrect. Cavill had almost no control over season 3

That is factually incorrect. Cavill wanted them to be more faithful to the books, so they changed from the monster of the week setup of the 1st season to the silly political drama of the books. The thing about The Witcher is that the books aren't very good. People like the Witcher despite the horrible writing (the same way people liked Twilight despite the horrible writing). If Season 1 had been faithful to the books…

Can you share any source describing that Cavill had the most influence on season 3 out of any seasons? Right now it's pure conjecture on your part and goes against what Cavill and others said themselves.

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You seem to misunderstand what unionisation is. The current state of things has been reached as kind of a gentleman's agreement. If employers want to revert to life threatening solutions, unions will revert to life threatening solutions too. Sequestration, destruction, tarring, and other fun things. But then again, defenestration of a bunch of execs might just be the exact thing the world needs to put some fear back…

Life threatening solutions? Let’s cut the hyperbole please. You are the one making threats here, no one else is. They have made an offer of employment to the union, following the legal framework in the country. It’s the same predicament any striking worker has. Each party is applying significant financial pressure on each other to get what they hope will be a better deal than the current offer. How… how do you think…

"It's legal" is about the most basic, dogshit argument you can ever use. When there are livelihoods at stake, when we have emails of execs explicitly wanting to wait it out so their writers get evicted, when Bob Iger makes the GDP of a small African country and refuses to give anything even close to acceptable, it's not a threat of violence. It is actual violence, but you've been conditioned to only see violence as the physical act.

Abusing the massive wealth imbalance to force people back to work under your own terms is violence. They should be happy people haven't actually resorted to violence in return.

How it works in other strikes? It'll depend on the context. Your small company that can't afford everyone striking for a month will go to the negotiation table and reach a deal. Other companies? In my lifetime, I have seen offices destroyed, CEOs sequestrated. And you know what? It worked.

Re: Actors union will join writers on strike, shutting down Hollywood

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With low quality expectations from film production, sure. Something like AI generated film could make money.

If film is treated primarily as entertainment but not art, consequences are obvious.

Same case with overproduction low quality stuffs. Coroporate greed for monetization BS needs to be addressed. It's not sustainable.

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Toss in the 100+ novels with a lower weight to account for the more spotty quality and you have another 5-6 seasons.

For anyone wondering where to start, this chart is helpful (if you can read it): https://www.thetrekcollective.com/p/trek-lit-reading-order.h...

This is great, thanks!

Re: Actors union will join writers on strike, shutting down Hollywood

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Then you don't like art, you like the product of art, the form or topography of art, the presentation of it, but not art itself. You like to consume a product. Some people do actually like the art, the process, the artist, the questions that art open (even if mundane such as "how did they think of this?"). Remove that and it's just a shell, a hollow product without soul. It's ok if you like that but then you don't ac…

Sounds good, I don't actually care about "art" then, based on your definition.

It's not my definition, it's by definition art is:

> the conscious use of skill and creative imagination especially in the production of aesthetic objects

Conscious use of skill, there's no conscience in AI hence no art.

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This is factually incorrect. Cavill had almost no control over season 3

That is factually incorrect. Cavill wanted them to be more faithful to the books, so they changed from the monster of the week setup of the 1st season to the silly political drama of the books. The thing about The Witcher is that the books aren't very good. People like the Witcher despite the horrible writing (the same way people liked Twilight despite the horrible writing). If Season 1 had been faithful to the books…

Complete Nonsense. The whole Witcher series is very well written (though I read only Czech translation, so I cannot speak of the English one) and Sapkowski is a good writer (which he later more than proved with The Hussite trilogy). The problem with the second season is that they completely butchered the story from the books. If Cavill wanted the series to be more faithful to the books, he failed.
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