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Uncle Sam: If It Ends in .Com, It’s .Seizable

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Re: Uncle Sam: If It Ends in .Com, It’s .Seizable

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Post by verelo »

mvip wrote: post #28
verelo wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

By comparison i would...also they do make great chocolate? Whats not to like... I've registered a few .it's (Italy) and still maintain a bunch of .com.au's. I dont know, the internet is starting to scare me...maybe avoiding .com isnt a terrible idea, but i have no idea how the others would behave. Likely they wouldn't be much better... I feel like we're in the 60's of the Internet and soon 'the man' is going to come…

While we do have great chocolate in Sweden, you have most likely mixed up Sweden with Switzerland.

No one else loves "Kex Choklad"?

http://swedishchocolate.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/swedi...

Yeah you're right, this isn't my day...sorry to any of the Swiss or Swedes who i have offended.

Re: Uncle Sam: If It Ends in .Com, It’s .Seizable

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Post by rmc »

hef19898 wrote: post #2

Interessting. If I put it in the context with megaupload, it basically means that .com is under the iron grip of us law (or any other copyright-y what ever law in the world) and if that doesn't work out you can arrest german citizens living in NZ operating a website owned by a company in Hong Kong for aleagly breaking us law. Wow, that explains why the web is speaking english. How do I miss the time of the treestruct…

Technically they were arrested by NZ police for breaking NZ law.

Re: Uncle Sam: If It Ends in .Com, It’s .Seizable

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Post by paulhauggis »

SoftwareMaven wrote: post #41

If the UN were an organization with meaning, the US should be getting slapped for stuff like this. As an American citizen, I am revolted at what my government has become (I still think it is a pretty good country, but that is changing, too). The constant rhetoric of groups like the Tea Party around "what the founding fathers wanted" is a response to things like the Fourth Amendment being completely ignored. It is unf…

You are angry at the republicans in the US, yet in general, the left wants more government control over our lives.

Re: Uncle Sam: If It Ends in .Com, It’s .Seizable

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Post by numeromancer »

ubernostrum wrote: post #11
tomp wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Does it matter? What the company was doing is legal in Canada, where the company was based (if I understand the article correctly). Unless if by "causing harm" you mean "not paying enough tax to the US", then I fail to see how this website was causing any harm...

As I've said again and again and again and again and again: If you are engaging in what is undeniably a business relationship (money/goods/services/written agreements/etc.) with people who are in a country, then it doesn't matter where you are; you can quite easily end up subject to the laws of that country. This is not a new idea. This is not a scary idea. bodog got their domain seized because they thought they coul…

What makes this controversial is that most people aren't going to see on-line gambling as such a horrendous activity that the US government needs to go to such lengths to stop it. That such activity should be a crime at all is already so controversial that the governments heavy-handed means of enforcing this law makes many of us nervous.

Further, the use of such trickery is the result not of passionate seekers of justice, but ambitious federal agents and prosecutors who see a fairly easy, high-profile target. It is a bad sign of the way the machine of justice runs these days, and doesn't bode well for freedom for the US or the internet.

Summum ius, summa injuria.

Re: Uncle Sam: If It Ends in .Com, It’s .Seizable

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Post by ThaddeusQuay2 »

paulhauggis wrote: post #64
SoftwareMaven wrote: post #41

If the UN were an organization with meaning, the US should be getting slapped for stuff like this. As an American citizen, I am revolted at what my government has become (I still think it is a pretty good country, but that is changing, too). The constant rhetoric of groups like the Tea Party around "what the founding fathers wanted" is a response to things like the Fourth Amendment being completely ignored. It is unf…

You are angry at the republicans in the US, yet in general, the left wants more government control over our lives.

"You are angry at the republicans in the US, yet in general, the left wants more government control over our lives."

Democrats and Republicans are merely different sides of the same rusty coin.

Re: Uncle Sam: If It Ends in .Com, It’s .Seizable

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Post by Symmetry »

scottdw2 wrote: post #47
jgarmon wrote: post #19

There's a legal principle call Forum Non Conveniens that is supposed to remedy this, though I don't know if anyone has challenged these seizures on those grounds. Basically, a legal matter is supposed to be tried in the most relevant and appropriate jurisdiction. For example, you sue a corporation in the state where it violated civil law, rather than state where it's headquartered. I shouldn't have to fly to Dallas t…

The US constitution also grants a right to a jury trial in "all suits at common law where the value in controversy shall exceed twenty dollars". All US judicial authority derives from the constitution. Given a controversy under the jurisdiction of the Federal courts, a trial cannot be denied the agreeved party unless: 1. There is no controversy 2. There is a stipulation in the constitution, or the jurisdictional laws…

This isn't a suit at common law, though, this is a seizure by government officials. The courts have generally held that those only have to allow you a chance to legally contest it after the fact.

Re: Uncle Sam: If It Ends in .Com, It’s .Seizable

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Post by snowwrestler »

jgarmon wrote: post #19

There's a legal principle call Forum Non Conveniens that is supposed to remedy this, though I don't know if anyone has challenged these seizures on those grounds. Basically, a legal matter is supposed to be tried in the most relevant and appropriate jurisdiction. For example, you sue a corporation in the state where it violated civil law, rather than state where it's headquartered. I shouldn't have to fly to Dallas t…

This article does not mention it at all, but Bodog.com was accepting online payments from residents of Maryland. That is how a MD state court was able to establish jurisdiction. Once that was done, they were able to take action against Verisign, a U.S.-based company.
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