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Re: CEO Announcement to the Netlify Team

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Post by 111111IIIIIII »

skissane wrote: post #48
111111IIIIIII wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They didn't say everybody's personal liberty. Of course working people are still all subject to exploitation hand over fist. Regardless, your comment is nothing but a pointless deviation.

> They didn't say everybody's personal liberty Legally enforced racial segregation denied everybody 's personal liberty – although of course, African-Americans bore the brunt of that denial. Berea College, founded by abolitionists in 1855, was the only desegregated and coeducational college in Kentucky – it admitted all students irrespective of their race or sex. Even though the state of Kentucky enforced racial segr…

Sure. I didn't need and I doubt anybody else needed any convincing of this, but it's still an utter deviation from and completely irrelevant to the discussion at hand.

Congratulations on derailing yet another meaningful conversation into a one-sided race war.

Re: CEO Announcement to the Netlify Team

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Post by skissane »

111111IIIIIII wrote: post #49
brazzledazzle wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are you referring to chattel slaves and victims of racial segregation as working people? If so that seems like a very simplistic way to reframe it when their status hinged entirely on the color of their skin. I ask because I may be misreading your comment entirely and I don’t want to be uncharitable in my interpretation.

You are misreading, if reading at all. I have no idea what you're responding to. I definitely didn't do that. However, their status only ostensibly depended on the color of their skin. Their function was of course literally to labor for the profits of the southern gentile. Racism is a byproduct of capitalism. The Black Panthers did not repeat this ad nauseam for no reason.

> Racism is a byproduct of capitalism.

If that were true, how do you explain https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racism_in_the_Soviet_Union (calling the Soviet Union "state capitalist" doesn't help here–it threatens to dilute the definition of "capitalist" to the point of meaninglessness; also, many of the Maoist advocates of "the Soviet Union was state capitalist" theory consider Soviet state capitalism to have begun with Stalin's death, yet the worst of Soviet racism, its genocidal excesses of mass deportation and mass murder, the antisemitic Doctors Plot, etc, occurred under Stalin's rule)

Is there any evidence for a correlation between how much capitalism a society has and how much racism it has? I'm not aware of any. Without evidence, it is just an unjustified assertion.

Re: CEO Announcement to the Netlify Team

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Post by [deleted] »

111111IIIIIII wrote: post #51
skissane wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> They didn't say everybody's personal liberty Legally enforced racial segregation denied everybody 's personal liberty – although of course, African-Americans bore the brunt of that denial. Berea College, founded by abolitionists in 1855, was the only desegregated and coeducational college in Kentucky – it admitted all students irrespective of their race or sex. Even though the state of Kentucky enforced racial segr…

Sure. I didn't need and I doubt anybody else needed any convincing of this, but it's still an utter deviation from and completely irrelevant to the discussion at hand. Congratulations on derailing yet another meaningful conversation into a one-sided race war.

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Re: CEO Announcement to the Netlify Team

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Post by 111111IIIIIII »

skissane wrote: post #52
111111IIIIIII wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You are misreading, if reading at all. I have no idea what you're responding to. I definitely didn't do that. However, their status only ostensibly depended on the color of their skin. Their function was of course literally to labor for the profits of the southern gentile. Racism is a byproduct of capitalism. The Black Panthers did not repeat this ad nauseam for no reason.

> Racism is a byproduct of capitalism. If that were true, how do you explain https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racism_in_the_Soviet_Union (calling the Soviet Union "state capitalist" doesn't help here–it threatens to dilute the definition of "capitalist" to the point of meaninglessness; also, many of the Maoist advocates of "the Soviet Union was state capitalist" theory consider Soviet state capitalism to have begun with…

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Re: CEO Announcement to the Netlify Team

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Post by CSSer »

thevagrant wrote: post #35
ChrisArchitect wrote: post #32

Weird times. Netlify did so much very fast to encourage and help move a certain are of web dev into the Jamstack realm or at least promote the main tenets of it as it rapidly became a mainstream option. Now after all that, the mainstreaming/normalization, they're left where I do not know. Sadly, I don't think CEO Matt knows either, but trying to find a way, despite it being a rough road now.

I think the problem was their pricing and arbitrary limitations. Like 7 day audit log.. 7 day user metrics, up to 100 form submissions per month. That's their paid professional plan. Seems extremely hard sell when I tell customers they are limited to 100 form submissions. It would have been better to offer a low monthly charge per website (and bundle in the features)

It’s worse than that. We love their core service, but every single non-core service is utterly mediocre.

You can’t even set a custom no reply email or create a custom template for their form service. Why would I pay $20/mo for that when I could pay a different SaaS like Sendgrid virtually the same and get better features for roughly the same amount of work?

You’re definitely right on some level about the pricing too. There’s nothing quite like whackamole downgrading sites monthly because they may or may not exceed the free tier that month.

Re: CEO Announcement to the Netlify Team

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Post by reustle »

EricRiese wrote: post #39
solardev wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The wording is to reassure investors. They don't care about the employees.

Or it's for the HFT bots that run the press releases through sentiment analysis and make trades accordingly.

Revenue is up 800%!

Re: CEO Announcement to the Netlify Team

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Post by flagrant_taco »

solardev wrote: post #27
rudasn wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This reads like a very narrow minded view of the world, even though it was in good spirit somehow.

Is it? Our system from the beginning was optimized for personal liberty, almost always at the cost of community. Those same values enabled and entrenched the classist society we have today, then further bolstered a completely useless and unresponsive political class. That's by design from the beginning. Oligarchy under the guise of false democracy... has it ever been any other way in this country? If not, there's no…

None of the issues you raise are inherent to individualism, you can find historic examples of community-focused societies that also have social classes and useless politicians.

You also seen to be coming at it with a personal preference towards the community rather that the individual. There's absolutely nothing wrong with that and both have pros/cons, but course you aren't going to like the focus on individual freedoms.

Oligarchy was also absolutely not the plan from the beginning. Washington set the standard for a two-term limit precisely because he didn't want to see it turn into a lifetime appointment. What we have today evolved over time, though I would argue or problem today is fascism rather than an oligarchy.

Re: CEO Announcement to the Netlify Team

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Post by flagrant_taco »

mellosouls wrote: post #45

From 2020 to 2023 we grew our team substantially and added layers of management. We now need to simplify Netlify So who was responsible for the strategy now being overturned? Presumably they will be the first to go?

That's not how this works, in all likelyhood that would mean this letter would have had a different signature on it.

Re: CEO Announcement to the Netlify Team

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Post by dang »

111111IIIIIII wrote: post #54
skissane wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Racism is a byproduct of capitalism. If that were true, how do you explain https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racism_in_the_Soviet_Union (calling the Soviet Union "state capitalist" doesn't help here–it threatens to dilute the definition of "capitalist" to the point of meaninglessness; also, many of the Maoist advocates of "the Soviet Union was state capitalist" theory consider Soviet state capitalism to have begun with…

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