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Re: Boston mayor announces residential conversion program for office buildings

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Donuted buildings will forever remind me of the Ponte Tower building. (1) https://www.theatlantic.com/entertainment/archive/2017/02/th...

Well, we're calling them "donut holes", but they're actually rectangles. :P

Don't be such a square!

Re: Boston mayor announces residential conversion program for office buildings

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There are so many cities (I'd say it's the majority in the world), with mixed use zoning which work wonderfully. Lower floors are offices or businesses and upper floors are apartments. Why is this so difficult?

part of the reason this is so bad in the USA is indeed what OP named, the concept of 'legibility', as explained in 'seeing like a state'. In the case of the USA, though, another 'lens' on the legibility is that overall the people making the laws were neurotically concerned with keeping black people away from white people and enforcing segregation. 'separating uses' was a good way to also 'separate users', and a littl…

So many awful things in America are the legacy of slavery and racism, and now it's all coming together to make the country an unlivable mess.

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There was a cool OddLots episode recently where they talked to a guy who does Office to Residential work and some of the complexity. One thing he talked about, which I didn't know anyone did, was to actually cut through the ceiling/floorplate of buildings to basically "donut" them. This is necessary because many office floorplans are huge with modern HVAC and when converted into residential you end up with either und…

The main advantage of living in a converted factory (there are a lot of these in the rust belt) is that you end up with an absolutely enormous space made out of cool materials.

I was finding it hard to imagine that there are inner-city office buildings (high rises) that have floors so large that they couldn't be cut into, say 1/4'ths, with four residences on each floor, and each unit having 50% windows along its perimeter.

People build McMansions that are > 10K square feet, so for a building footprint to be too big for this (i.e., so big that buyers would balk at the size), then you'd need a high-rise with ~40K sq ft floors before this became a problem.

A standard city block in Manhattan is apparently 237,000 square feet, so if you had a building that took up a whole block, there'd be a big problem.

Now I'm wondering how many office buildings there are in a typical city block.

Re: Boston mayor announces residential conversion program for office buildings

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There was a cool OddLots episode recently where they talked to a guy who does Office to Residential work and some of the complexity. One thing he talked about, which I didn't know anyone did, was to actually cut through the ceiling/floorplate of buildings to basically "donut" them. This is necessary because many office floorplans are huge with modern HVAC and when converted into residential you end up with either und…

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Re: Boston mayor announces residential conversion program for office buildings

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For buildings where they can't cut the whole center of the building... maybe cutting more (but smaller) holes part way between the outside and the center would work. Then do vertical gardens up those shafts.

The issue is emergency egress. You need those shafts to be able to support external staircases with many dozens of people rushing down simultaneously in the event of a fire.

Do you? Most newer buildings go without external staircases (typically have two+ internals firewalled apart from each other)

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converting office buildings do not preclude designing humane urban areas

Did you interpret my comment as suggesting that it does?

Well, converted office buildings was in the same clause as substandard housing…

Re: Boston mayor announces residential conversion program for office buildings

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converting office buildings do not preclude designing humane urban areas

Did you interpret my comment as suggesting that it does?

I did. Was that a misunderstanding on my part ?

Re: Boston mayor announces residential conversion program for office buildings

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I think this is fantastic. Boston desperately needs more housing. Let's get some increased funding for the T as well while we are at it.

Property tax represents 72% of Boston's municipal revenue[0], and this initiative provides a property tax reduction of up to 75% for up to 29 years, so unfortunately this initiative will not help with T funding. [0] https://data.boston.gov/dataset/revenue-budget

Since the MBTA is a state agency primarily funded by sales tax, Boston’s budget is highly irrelevant to its funding.

https://cdn.mbta.com/sites/default/files/2023-06/FY24%20Item...

Re: Boston mayor announces residential conversion program for office buildings

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I think this is fantastic. Boston desperately needs more housing. Let's get some increased funding for the T as well while we are at it.

I will probably get sniped by someone who actually knows what they're talking about (please correct me if I'm wrong :D), but my impression of the T issues is less a funding issue, and more a competency/corruption issue. We're building above-ground rail at underground rail prices for one example problem.

I toured a piece of property at the border of Charlestown and Somerville near a big T stop. There was an empty lot next to the tracks that was owned by the MBTA on paper. But de facto, the neighbor and was clearly using the entire massive lot as an extended back yard (they even had a garden shed and paved parking on the MBTA owned lot).

Looked up the property records. Either a HIGHLY coincidental name clash, or there's a recently retired T exec who has been using MBTA land as an extended back yard and off-street parking area.

That's the moment I gave up on Boston and the T, tbh. It's a small thing that doesn't really matter, but so ridiculously brazen and public and personal. If that sort of thing is what happens out in the open, can you imagine how many tens/hundreds of millions of taxpayer money is being funneled between friends and cousins via MBTA?

Re: Boston mayor announces residential conversion program for office buildings

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Downtown LA had a bunch of (textile?) factories and warehouses back in the day that got repurposed as residential lofts. They're quirky and somewhat charming big buildings to live in, but you can tell they weren't really meant for humans to live in to begin with. I'm thinking of all of the SB lofts.

For example if you're on the first few floors and you don't have an outside-facing window, your only source of light might be a 20 story light well. At best it always looks like dusk in your apartment, but most often it's pitch black without having your lights always on.

Some of those repurposed building are quite livable, others not as much.

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