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Uncle Sam: If It Ends in .Com, It’s .Seizable

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Re: Uncle Sam: If It Ends in .Com, It’s .Seizable

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I recently registered a new domain name for a side project, http://recursiveuniver.se . Catchy domain names like this are a little passé, but I’m steering clear of .com indefinitely.

Good call. Now you'll be protected when the US government starts cracking down on those Conway's Game of Life websites.

Re: Uncle Sam: If It Ends in .Com, It’s .Seizable

#52

If the UN were an organization with meaning, the US should be getting slapped for stuff like this. As an American citizen, I am revolted at what my government has become (I still think it is a pretty good country, but that is changing, too). The constant rhetoric of groups like the Tea Party around "what the founding fathers wanted" is a response to things like the Fourth Amendment being completely ignored. It is unf…

Unfortunately the U.S.G. has operated in this manner for a number of decades. It is merely expanding it's power into a new realm.

Re: Uncle Sam: If It Ends in .Com, It’s .Seizable

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.com is only valuable because it is a default that is perceived to be valuable, so it could loose value really quickly if it becomes perceived as a risky place to do business, much in the same way as a currency can fall like a stone if it loses trust. Also, when people access a site, they either type in a domain from a physical source, or more often they search or follow links. Which TLD is used in the domain doesn't…

"so it could loose value really quickly if it becomes perceived as a risky place to do business" How in touch are you with everyday users of .com domains? Do you think the majority of the individuals and businesses in this country or in foreign countries are doing things that will make them fear loosing their domains because the US might seize their domain? (These are people that in many cases support racial profilin…

>>>> "Also, when people access a site, they either type in a domain from a physical source, or more often they search or follow links."

>> Where are you getting this from?

See here http://daringfireball.net/linked/2010/02/11/facebook-login

Re: Uncle Sam: If It Ends in .Com, It’s .Seizable

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If you have a thought to share, do so with my blessing. A one-liner rhetorical question like this works fairly well in conversation but not as well in a threaded forum where people are looking for a more compact expression of ideas.

There is nothing rhetorical about their question. You are solving the possible US domain confiscation problem by substituting a possible Swedish domain confiscation problem.

Do keep in mind that the U.S. isn't just "another country", it is the center of most big entertainment businesses, and its government is highly, perhaps uniquely, influenced by corporate agendas.

Re: Uncle Sam: If It Ends in .Com, It’s .Seizable

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I'd say it's more like, having a betting shop in Canada, but the only entrance is via an underground tunnel whose entrance is in the US. The US have said "the only use of this tunnel is to disobey US law, and so we're closing down the tunnel." That analogy leaves me with a few questions: (1) is a "tunnel to Canada" a good analogy for "a .com domain hosted in Canada"? (2) Is it true/ a good thing that .coms come under…

> Is it true/ a good thing that .coms come under US jurisdiction? it may be a historical fact, but it's not a general perception. The internet is global, and I (and probably many people) read ".co.uk" as "A UK-based business", for example. And ".com" reads as "a business on the net". ".com" has prestige as a top-level domain, even for companies that don't do much business in the USA. it says "worldwide" - like the in…

I don't think the actual lesson is about .com domains, it is about doing online business with U.S. citizens, this, it turns out, might risk your website. And if you happen to be on a .com, .org or .net domain, it would simply make it easier for U.S. law authorities to persecute you.

Re: Uncle Sam: If It Ends in .Com, It’s .Seizable

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There's a legal principle call Forum Non Conveniens that is supposed to remedy this, though I don't know if anyone has challenged these seizures on those grounds. Basically, a legal matter is supposed to be tried in the most relevant and appropriate jurisdiction. For example, you sue a corporation in the state where it violated civil law, rather than state where it's headquartered. I shouldn't have to fly to Dallas t…

The US constitution also grants a right to a jury trial in "all suits at common law where the value in controversy shall exceed twenty dollars". All US judicial authority derives from the constitution. Given a controversy under the jurisdiction of the Federal courts, a trial cannot be denied the agreeved party unless: 1. There is no controversy 2. There is a stipulation in the constitution, or the jurisdictional laws…

The US Constitution does not apply outside the USA. Other countries have their own constitutions or legal systems.

Re: Uncle Sam: If It Ends in .Com, It’s .Seizable

#57

I see a distributed hosting model with encrypted peer-routed traffic in our future. It would include peer to peer DNS and country neutral hosting. By that I mean redundant servers in multiple jurisdictions. Without the ability to take servers offline and to firewall traffic based on source/destination, what is an overreaching government to do? This reminds me of the Laffer curve of taxation vs tax revenue. http://en.…

Isn't that pretty close to Tor (ironically developed by the US government)?

Tor does the anonymous routing, and the distributed DNS (with *.onion domain names). However servers still have to be physically located in one place.

Freenet IIRC does the distrbuted hosting.

Re: Uncle Sam: If It Ends in .Com, It’s .Seizable

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Isn't that pretty close to Tor (ironically developed by the US government)?

if we are talking about P2P DNS only, it is more like "namecoin". Tor do not have anything like DNS. You can have local directory, but it is more like /etc/hosts

Yes it does. It's called "Hidden Service" and you get a *.onion address ( https://www.torproject.org/docs/tor-hidden-service.html.en )

Although you cannot control what DNS name is given, so it's not a full DNS drop in.

Re: Uncle Sam: If It Ends in .Com, It’s .Seizable

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If the UN were an organization with meaning, the US should be getting slapped for stuff like this. As an American citizen, I am revolted at what my government has become (I still think it is a pretty good country, but that is changing, too). The constant rhetoric of groups like the Tea Party around "what the founding fathers wanted" is a response to things like the Fourth Amendment being completely ignored. It is unf…

The US, along with a few other countries have a permanent vetoes on the UN Security Council. If you are a US citizen and would like to see the UN get more teeth, campaign for your government to give up it's permanent seat.

Re: Uncle Sam: If It Ends in .Com, It’s .Seizable

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I recently registered a new domain name for a side project, http://recursiveuniver.se . Catchy domain names like this are a little passé, but I’m steering clear of .com indefinitely.

"I’m steering clear of .com indefinitely." Why? Sounds like cutting your nose to spite your face. If you had a store to open and all the customers were on "K" street would you not go there because "K" street had a .0001 chance of crime vs. a street with .000000001 chance of crime. Is there rationality in your decision (for your particular purpose) or are you just protesting against what you see as a potential slipper…

A Principled Stand? After all, change starts somewhere…
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