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Re: Once hailed for decriminalizing drugs, Portugal is now having doubts

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Post by defrost »

Aerroon wrote: post #639
defrost wrote: post #630

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The deal in Australia (public health service) is that depending upon the level of severity of a persons asthma doctors want to physically check on patients every three to six months .. if you've been prescribed certain kinds of treatment you get months long "refill prescriptions" that ultimately have to be renewed by a doctor (although I believe that pharmacists can extend arefill prescription if you tell them why yo…

Regardless what the intent is, the outcome is that I'm relying on caffeine and sleeping in a semi-seated position when breathing gets too difficult. Luckily, this is rare because I know to avoid aerobic exercise and being in dusty rooms. I'm sure I'm not the only one either. And for people in my situation it essentially means that relief for these issues doesn't exist.

Are you in Australia, if so you really shouldn't be in that position of requiring asthma medication but not having any available.

If you're not in Australia then the intent of Australian health care procedures doesn't apply.

Either way you might consider actively lobbying to change the behaviour of whatever health care sytem you have.

Re: Once hailed for decriminalizing drugs, Portugal is now having doubts

#642

Post by peoplefromibiza »

DropInIn wrote: post #637
peoplefromibiza wrote: post #634

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Holy hell active misrepresentation much? Or is your reading comprehension just that poor? Please respond to the strongest plausible interpretation of what someone says, not a weaker one that's easier to criticize. Assume good faith. > VIEWED AS Please don't use uppercase for emphasis. If you want to emphasize a word or phrase, put *asterisks* around it and it will get italicized. I am a non native English speaker,…

> Please respond to the strongest plausible interpretation of what someone says, not a weaker one that's easier to criticize. Assume good faith. Yea effing exactly. That's what You did not do > Please don't use uppercase for emphasis. If you want to emphasize a word or phrase, put asterisks around it and it will get italicized. Italics would have been useless with YOU since you have such poor language comprehension,…

> Italics would have been useless with YOU

is uppercase working better?

> since you have such poor language comprehension

so' sicuro che tu invece capisci il romano da paura...

> You're a hateful bigot hiding behind low effort shit talk.

Are you sure you are okay?

Have you tried to talk to a specialist about your rage?

I can help, if you come to Italy, I know many good doctors, my family mostly works in public healthcare here, many of them in psychiatric care, others in infectious diseases, my mom took care of AIDS patients for over 20 years, I grew up playing soccer with addicts in recover, I saw many of them die because they were put behind 4 walls and left alone, please take care of yourself and go to see your friends and family as much as you can.

> May you live in the world as you would have it, so long as you live as the least advantaged.

Fai del male e pensa, fai del bene e scorda.

Male non fare, paura non avere.

Re: Once hailed for decriminalizing drugs, Portugal is now having doubts

#643

Post by DropInIn »

peoplefromibiza wrote: post #642
DropInIn wrote: post #637

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Please respond to the strongest plausible interpretation of what someone says, not a weaker one that's easier to criticize. Assume good faith. Yea effing exactly. That's what You did not do > Please don't use uppercase for emphasis. If you want to emphasize a word or phrase, put asterisks around it and it will get italicized. Italics would have been useless with YOU since you have such poor language comprehension,…

> Italics would have been useless with YOU is uppercase working better? > since you have such poor language comprehension so' sicuro che tu invece capisci il romano da paura... > You're a hateful bigot hiding behind low effort shit talk. Are you sure you are okay? Have you tried to talk to a specialist about your rage? I can help, if you come to Italy, I know many good doctors, my family mostly works in public health…

A lot of ad hominems and other fallacious bs

Pure troll behavior, as detected prior.

Shame on you.

Re: Once hailed for decriminalizing drugs, Portugal is now having doubts

#644

Post by peoplefromibiza »

DropInIn wrote: post #643
peoplefromibiza wrote: post #642

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Italics would have been useless with YOU is uppercase working better? > since you have such poor language comprehension so' sicuro che tu invece capisci il romano da paura... > You're a hateful bigot hiding behind low effort shit talk. Are you sure you are okay? Have you tried to talk to a specialist about your rage? I can help, if you come to Italy, I know many good doctors, my family mostly works in public health…

A lot of ad hominems and other fallacious bs Pure troll behavior, as detected prior. Shame on you.

> ad hominems

directed against a person rather than the position they are maintaining.

Like, for example (emphasis is mine, to highlight the relevant bits)

- Italics would have been useless with YOU since you have such poor language comprehension

- Now for the rest of your bs

- You're a hateful bigot hiding behind low effort shit talk

- I'm not being mean or hyperbolic, that s exactly what you are. (I let you, the reader, guess what other biases are present in this sentence)

- May you live in the world as you would have it, so long as you live as the least advantaged. (this is technically a curse, I'll let you decide if you prefer to call it Schadenfreude or malevolence)

Sincerely hoping that you'll be better soon, I send you all my best wishes.

p.s. this is the psychiatric hospital were my aunt worked until it's been shut down.

I used to go visit there when I was a kid, to play with the patients' children, who had not many friends as one can imagine.

I know a thing or two about mental health issues.

If that makes me a hateful bigot, I am proud to be one then.

I'm sure you'll have no problem reading and understanding Italian.

https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ospedale_psichiatrico_Santa_Ma...

Re: Once hailed for decriminalizing drugs, Portugal is now having doubts

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Post by galfarragem »

P_I_Staker wrote: post #635
galfarragem wrote: post #627

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Despite the law, hardly ever (if ever), anyone was incarcerated because of consuming drugs. Addicts always were jailed because of petty crime. Police couldn't manage to enforce it so government just ditched it. Like I said before, politicians always take positive results as their own but their influence here was negligible. I was there living next door, the cycle just passed. Now it's coming back and the policies are…

I'm not romanticizing anything, I'm just sick of the never ending cycle of locking people in cages. I've been to other countries with severe property crimes issues, and they can be awful at times to lose things, but people mostly doing okay. (btw, this is backed by violent crime stats) So you have some people not having a thing, and compare it to torturing millions (hundreds of thousands?) of innocent people.

> I'm just sick of the never ending cycle of locking people in cages.

So do I. That's why I prefer to lock 1% instead of locking the other 99%.

Re: Once hailed for decriminalizing drugs, Portugal is now having doubts

#646

Post by DropInIn »

peoplefromibiza wrote: post #644
DropInIn wrote: post #643

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A lot of ad hominems and other fallacious bs Pure troll behavior, as detected prior. Shame on you.

> ad hominems directed against a person rather than the position they are maintaining. Like, for example (emphasis is mine, to highlight the relevant bits) - Italics would have been useless with YOU since you have such poor language comprehension - Now for the rest of your bs - You're a hateful bigot hiding behind low effort shit talk - I'm not being mean or hyperbolic, that s exactly what you are. (I let you, the re…

> May you live in the world as you would have it, so long as you live as the least advantaged. (this is technically a curse, I'll let you decide if you prefer to call it Schadenfreude or malevolence)

A curse? It's technically a blessing on any Decent person ... It's only a curse on those who want inequality and others to suffer....

Which is exactly what you are from everything youve shown, so you deserve exactly that.

You seem to have unintentionally proved my point about your nature and form of engagement.

Bravo, you done played yourself.

Re: Once hailed for decriminalizing drugs, Portugal is now having doubts

#647

Post by peoplefromibiza »

DropInIn wrote: post #646
peoplefromibiza wrote: post #644

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> ad hominems directed against a person rather than the position they are maintaining. Like, for example (emphasis is mine, to highlight the relevant bits) - Italics would have been useless with YOU since you have such poor language comprehension - Now for the rest of your bs - You're a hateful bigot hiding behind low effort shit talk - I'm not being mean or hyperbolic, that s exactly what you are. (I let you, the re…

> May you live in the world as you would have it, so long as you live as the least advantaged. (this is technically a curse, I'll let you decide if you prefer to call it Schadenfreude or malevolence) A curse? It's technically a blessing on any Decent person ... It's only a curse on those who want inequality and others to suffer.... Which is exactly what you are from everything youve shown, so you deserve exactly that…

> A curse? It's technically a blessing on any Decent person

Not in my book.

The least advantaged are the people dying in the Mediterranean sea right now or fighting a war or having too little to eat for them and their children.

Maybe it is for those who believe in that book where a person named God kills the people he doesn't like.

But I guess one could read it as "if everyone is the least advantaged, there are no least advantaged" that for me, a socialist, coming from a family with deep roots in the Italian Communist party, is welcome, as long as we work together to improve anyone's condition, not just for some.

I guess that wouldn't fly in places like the United States.

> Which is exactly what you are from everything youve shown, so you deserve exactly that.

So by your logic I deserve it for wanting inequality and others to suffer

Which, BTW, it is only in your mind.

Are you one of those people that still believe in "an eye for an eye"?

Are you stuck to 3 thousands years ago or what?

Haven't you read your book?

It says "thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself" not "thou shalt despise thy neighbor as thyself".

Have you ever spent quality time with an addict, a former one, a person suffering from mental health issues, a person with an infectious disease or terminally hill, a kid from Rwanda with the skull crushed by a bat or part of the scalp removed by a machete that miraculously survived?

What's your contribution to alleviate human suffering in this World?

I'm eager to ear about it.

> You seem to have unintentionally proved my point about your nature and form of engagement.

Nahhh, I simply proved that you can't stop hating on me for some reason and that your condition is called obsession and it's driven by rage.

And you know how I know it?

Because you said there was no point arguing with me 2 days ago, and yet you're still here.

Are you in love, by any chance?

Unfortunately for you I'm taken.

Re: Once hailed for decriminalizing drugs, Portugal is now having doubts

#648

Post by Aerroon »

defrost wrote: post #641
Aerroon wrote: post #639

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Regardless what the intent is, the outcome is that I'm relying on caffeine and sleeping in a semi-seated position when breathing gets too difficult. Luckily, this is rare because I know to avoid aerobic exercise and being in dusty rooms. I'm sure I'm not the only one either. And for people in my situation it essentially means that relief for these issues doesn't exist.

Are you in Australia, if so you really shouldn't be in that position of requiring asthma medication but not having any available. If you're not in Australia then the intent of Australian health care procedures doesn't apply. Either way you might consider actively lobbying to change the behaviour of whatever health care sytem you have.

I'm not in Australia, but the premise is still the same everywhere in the world where these kinds of medications are illegal. The idea behind it is that it forces you through a doctor, but in practice it just means the medication has less availability to people that could use it.

I don't see the point in lobbying. I've long understood that any opinion I have about how society should be run is worthless because people might agree in detail, but they won't agree once the scope is broadened into actually doing something.

Somebody comes out with a story about how somebody was too stupid to use the thing correctly and ended up hurt, so it should've stayed banned and that's it. People see the negative sides of taking action, but they rarely consider the cost of inaction. I don't even think the problem is with politicians, but rather just people.

Re: Once hailed for decriminalizing drugs, Portugal is now having doubts

#649

Post by P_I_Staker »

galfarragem wrote: post #645
P_I_Staker wrote: post #635

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not romanticizing anything, I'm just sick of the never ending cycle of locking people in cages. I've been to other countries with severe property crimes issues, and they can be awful at times to lose things, but people mostly doing okay. (btw, this is backed by violent crime stats) So you have some people not having a thing, and compare it to torturing millions (hundreds of thousands?) of innocent people.

> I'm just sick of the never ending cycle of locking people in cages. So do I. That's why I prefer to lock 1% instead of locking the other 99%.

Not a good idea to keep locking up the sick, poor, and children. Your acceptance, and here it seems like a celebration of locking people in cages for non-violent crimes is sick.

Re: Once hailed for decriminalizing drugs, Portugal is now having doubts

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Post by galfarragem »

P_I_Staker wrote: post #649
galfarragem wrote: post #645

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I'm just sick of the never ending cycle of locking people in cages. So do I. That's why I prefer to lock 1% instead of locking the other 99%.

Not a good idea to keep locking up the sick, poor, and children. Your acceptance, and here it seems like a celebration of locking people in cages for non-violent crimes is sick.

Portuguese courts hardly ever lock somebody with a sentence lower than 5 years. This implies an high degree of violence, not stealing a bike.

My life experience took me here. Yours took you somewhere else. We just have different worldviews that will never match.

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