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Actors union will join writers on strike, shutting down Hollywood

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Re: Actors union will join writers on strike, shutting down Hollywood

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Post by solardev »

nine_zeros wrote: post #59
solardev wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

IMHO it's great that tech money is being redistributed to sex workers who work their butts (and other parts) off just to make a living. They might want families someday too, and their industry is way harsher. Better they get paid than tech workers hoarding money and driving up housing costs for everyone.

It is good that tech money is getting redistributed but it is also important to recognize how stupidly trivialized tech worker life has become.

Stupidly trivialized how?

Re: Actors union will join writers on strike, shutting down Hollywood

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Post by herdymerzbow »

saltminer wrote: post #36
AlexandrB wrote: post #5

> “In that ground breaking AI proposal, they proposed that our background performers should be able to be scanned, get paid for one day’s pay, and their company should own that scan, their image, their likeness, and should be able to use it for the rest of eternity in any project they want with no consent and no compensation,” he said. “So if you think that’s a ground breaking proposal I suggest you think again.” I m…

This was part of the plot of "Joan is Awful" (Black Mirror S06E01). I sorta expected some sort of AI proposal but I didn't think it would be so drastic, so soon. Then again, it might just be the tactic of asking for a mountain to get the hill you really want (I'm sure there's a name for this).

Yes, term your thinking of is 'ambit claim'.

Re: Actors union will join writers on strike, shutting down Hollywood

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Post by User23 »

saltminer wrote: post #36
AlexandrB wrote: post #5

> “In that ground breaking AI proposal, they proposed that our background performers should be able to be scanned, get paid for one day’s pay, and their company should own that scan, their image, their likeness, and should be able to use it for the rest of eternity in any project they want with no consent and no compensation,” he said. “So if you think that’s a ground breaking proposal I suggest you think again.” I m…

This was part of the plot of "Joan is Awful" (Black Mirror S06E01). I sorta expected some sort of AI proposal but I didn't think it would be so drastic, so soon. Then again, it might just be the tactic of asking for a mountain to get the hill you really want (I'm sure there's a name for this).

> I'm sure there's a name for this

Anchoring[1].

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anchoring_(cognitive_bias)

Re: Actors union will join writers on strike, shutting down Hollywood

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Post by ninth_ant »

falcolas wrote: post #31
vkou wrote: post #21

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Waiting until striking workers run out of money is absolutely gentille, when it comes to the history of strike-breaking.

Not being the worst tactic used by companies to break strikes doesn't make it good or even OK . Nor should it lessen the condemnation faced by these companies. EDIT: To be clear, I expect a company's executive team in the 21st century to act ethically and with even the smallest bit of compassion for their coworkers. I do not expect them to act like some entitled plantation owner in the late 19th century. And if that'…

This not some dirty tactic, it is specifically how all breakdowns in employer/union negotiations go. Union withdraws their labour until their demands are met, employer doesn't agree until their demands are met. As time goes on, both lose money, both parties are betting the other party will compromise in a beneficial way before their side does.

If you don't approve of this, you don't approve of unionization. Because this is how it works.

Re: Actors union will join writers on strike, shutting down Hollywood

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Post by nightski »

phpisthebest wrote: post #40
ilamont wrote: post #11

For consumers, now is a good time to evaluate paid streaming services. The content pipeline will be rationed and extended, leading to a decline in new programming. HBO/"Max" was already looking shaky, and we've noticed Apple and Amazon are increasingly plastered with paid options.

I have been doing that for a long time not because of the strike, but because 90% of the content is garbage, and the few shows that have found interesting they cancel after 1 season.... I think the situation with the Witcher will be the last straw with me and Netflix.. I am probably one of the few people that still have Prime because of the shipping but as they keep increasing costs to add a bunch of things I have no…

The Witcher wasn't really Netflix's fault though? I thought Cavill was lured by the Amazon deal to do Warhammer. Gotta love a company like Amazon producing shows and selling toilet paper all in one shop.

Re: Actors union will join writers on strike, shutting down Hollywood

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Post by bugglebeetle »

gruez wrote: post #32
monkeyodeath wrote: post #19

The business philosophy of "maximize shareholder value above all else" is going to eviscerate our society until there's nothing of quality left. Hollywood has always been a dirty and money-focused business, but it seems like the latest crop of execs are hellbent on entirely divorcing the creative enterprise from its human elements. Now studios are just exotic financial instruments that seek to turn "content" into sto…

> The business philosophy of "maximize shareholder value above all else" is going to eviscerate our society until there's nothing of quality left. Well no, because there are literally an entire industry (luxury goods) where the main selling point is quality, and I don't see any sign that's going to disappear anytime soon.

Quality and price are frequently orthogonal in the luxury goods business.

Re: Actors union will join writers on strike, shutting down Hollywood

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Post by mmcwilliams »

solardev wrote: post #58
Kye wrote: post #28

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Jet Li famously turned down The Matrix because he was worried about what they might do with his motion capture in the future. Previous discussion of the topic right here on HN: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27852017

It probably won't be long before algorithms can mocap just from the recorded footage and then transpose those movements to arbitrary 3D models :/ That doesn't take away from the beauty of martial arts though. You can have an exact definition of all the moves you'll ever do, but still spend decades refining them. For actors though... yeah I can see why they're worried

It's already very possible with off-the-shelf OpenPose. I can only imagine that the proprietary systems are more powerful and have better performance.

Re: Actors union will join writers on strike, shutting down Hollywood

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Post by phpisthebest »

nightski wrote: post #66
phpisthebest wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have been doing that for a long time not because of the strike, but because 90% of the content is garbage, and the few shows that have found interesting they cancel after 1 season.... I think the situation with the Witcher will be the last straw with me and Netflix.. I am probably one of the few people that still have Prime because of the shipping but as they keep increasing costs to add a bunch of things I have no…

The Witcher wasn't really Netflix's fault though? I thought Cavill was lured by the Amazon deal to do Warhammer. Gotta love a company like Amazon producing shows and selling toilet paper all in one shop.

Cavill did not leave voluntarily. HE was pushed out because he wanted to stay true to the lore.. Netflix and their hand picked show runners disagree and want to completely change the story

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Post by gruez »

Arrath wrote: post #56
gruez wrote: post #43

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>The studios haven't even come to the negotiation table in the 70 days of the WGA's strike. What's the point of coming to the negotiation table when the other side's demands is so far from what you're willing to offer? >Their entire plan is waiting them out so they'll accept a worse offer. It takes two to make a deal. By refusing to accept a deal, both sides' are hoping to inflict damage to the other side so they can…

> What's the point of coming to the negotiation table when the other side's demands is so far from what you're willing to offer? Uh, does this situation not fit the dictionary definition of negotiation? Such a gulf in demands/desires/position between the sides necessitates negotiation and compromise. The institution saying "lol fuck them, we'll starve 'em out" is monstrous in that context, imo.

>> What's the point of coming to the negotiation table when the other side's demands is so far from what you're willing to offer?

>Uh, does such a situation not fit the dictionary definition of negotiation?

There's nothing in the definition of "negotiation" that necessitates compromise. Moreover, negotiation isn't an end goal in and of itself. The point is to reach an agreement (ie. contract), and the very definition of a contract is that it's voluntary. That means walking away is an entirely valid response.

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