LulzSec brought down by own leader • Hacker News Board

Re: LulzSec brought down by own leader

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Post by wladimir » Tue, Mar 06, 2012, 3:50 PM UTC

dagw wrote: post #27

wladimir wrote: post #24

It's strange that it was revealed at all whether he works with the FBI. Is that normal? Why not keep it secret for somewhat longer to catch even more hackers? Exposing him as informant could also bring his life in danger. This makes me doubt the truth of the story a bit.

There is propaganda value in revealing it. I'm guessing they're hoping that members of other groups are going to start asking themselves "if lulzSec was infiltrated by the FBI without anybody noticing, then how can I be sure that they haven't infiltrated my group as well". At the end of the day scaring people into not committing crimes is better for everybody than catching them after the fact.

Yes, the propaganda angle is clear, and exactly what makes me doubt the story (especially as this is fox news we're talking about).

Re: LulzSec brought down by own leader

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Post by nakkiel » Tue, Mar 06, 2012, 3:50 PM UTC

Any idea why they don't mention the nationality of Hector Xavier Monsegur? His name sounds like Spanish or French but it could be otherwise. In the end, it's confusing and I can't really get a geographical idea of the Lulzsec thing.

Re: LulzSec brought down by own leader

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Post by davidw » Tue, Mar 06, 2012, 3:50 PM UTC

lzh-ng wrote: post #28

phear wrote: post #17

shocker... but like anonymous/lulzsec continuously said, you cant kill an idea. another group doing it for the lulz perhaps soon or later will come up

Of course you can't kill an idea. Wait, what was the idea again?

The 21st century equivalent of setting a poop-filled bag on fire on someone's porch, or something along those lines. But without actually requiring anything so taxing as getting up from the computer, going outside, and running.

Re: LulzSec brought down by own leader

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Post by lollancf37 » Tue, Mar 06, 2012, 3:51 PM UTC

hack_edu wrote: post #26

Funny tht right around the time he was arrested, Lulzsec declared they were done and sailing off in their Lulzboat. Then they reappeared a few months later, probably started back up after Sabu went to the narcs. Luckily this was only after Anonymous put together their new decentralized teams that do the footwork now. Lulzsec is just a name now, very little work is done by their namesake anymore. The writer is a bit c…

In short as usual we don't know anything ...

Re: LulzSec brought down by own leader

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Post by trotsky » Tue, Mar 06, 2012, 3:51 PM UTC

nakkiel wrote: post #32

Any idea why they don't mention the nationality of Hector Xavier Monsegur? His name sounds like Spanish or French but it could be otherwise. In the end, it's confusing and I can't really get a geographical idea of the Lulzsec thing.

US national - NY.

Re: LulzSec brought down by own leader

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Post by nakkiel » Tue, Mar 06, 2012, 3:51 PM UTC

nakkiel wrote: post #32

Any idea why they don't mention the nationality of Hector Xavier Monsegur? His name sounds like Spanish or French but it could be otherwise. In the end, it's confusing and I can't really get a geographical idea of the Lulzsec thing.

According to Wired, he lives in New York.

http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2012/03/lulzsec-snitch/

Re: LulzSec brought down by own leader

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Post by trotsky » Tue, Mar 06, 2012, 3:54 PM UTC

kyledrake wrote: post #15

This article claims billions of dollars in damage. If this is what the FBI is saying, they are wrong. Lulzsec damages don't even approach a million dollars, most likely. Billions of dollars is how much money it costs to do things like provide universal health care for a small state. The FBI should investigate real cases and not treat a bunch of merry pranksters like they're a bunch of super terrorists.

Costs in hacking cases are mostly measured by time spent investigating & repairing * fully loaded employee costs. If you have to dump a bunch of servers and reload everything and audit your backups the costs rise very quickly.

Re: LulzSec brought down by own leader

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Post by nakkiel » Tue, Mar 06, 2012, 4:02 PM UTC

watty wrote: post #11

methoddk wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

for the lulz indeed. What a dick, though..

How can anyone with a tiny bit of intelligence claim that he did any wrongdoing by helping the FBI? This does not imply that helping law enforcement is always ethical. In this case, helping law enforcement take down these criminals is not a "dick move".

Well, that's the Op's opinion and here is yours. Your point of view differ, deal with it.. why the intelligence thing? That's certainly nowhere close to being intelligent.

Re: LulzSec brought down by own leader

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Post by dasil003 » Tue, Mar 06, 2012, 4:04 PM UTC

[deleted] wrote: post #16

getsat wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You seem to be implying that assisting law enforcement is always ethical. It's not, just like breaking the law is not necessarily unethical.

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It's never ethical. Even if the ends morally justify the means it's still entrapment.

Re: LulzSec brought down by own leader

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Post by SoftwareMaven » Tue, Mar 06, 2012, 4:04 PM UTC

mellifluousmind wrote: post #23

Well, you can pretty much imagine how it went down. FBI caught up to him with threats like "eh..you are unemployed, and you still have two kids. You want to see them in foster care system?" ... well, no surprise there. too many buttons that FBI can push on this guy

Vapid speculation based on TV plots doesn't really help the level of discourse at HN. Given the list of hacks and the outrageous hacking laws in the US, the default penalty could easily be life in prison. I wouldn't think the Feds would need to push much harder than that.