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Re: NotebookLM: An AI Notebook

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Post by linalgmixer »

endisneigh wrote: post #96
vogon_laureate wrote: post #83

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People are wary about Google product launches because of a well documented[1] pattern of corporate behaviour[2] when it comes to either the project's planning and execution, resourcing, or long-term support. You don't have to agree with those comments, but they are legitimate concerns being expressed by people who have been burned enough times by the company that it has developed a degree[3] of notoriety[4] for it as…

Like I mentioned, don’t use google products then. What’s the value of spamming this all of the time? The validity of the concern isn’t the problem, it’s the fact that it’s irrelevant to the content being posted.

To use the same logic, just don't read these comments. What's the value of complaining about them?

Re: NotebookLM: An AI Notebook

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Post by dr_kiszonka »

mattzito wrote: post #135
dr_kiszonka wrote: post #126

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The article mentions Google Labs. Do you know if this is an actual team or just an umbrella term for public beta products made by different teams?

Both - there is a labs team, and then it gets used as an umbrella term.

Thanks! It has got to be a lot of fun being in such a team.

Re: NotebookLM: An AI Notebook

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Post by amf12 »

phillipcarter wrote: post #132
amf12 wrote: post #92

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Take a look at Instagram's Threads. They had 100M users in a few days. Do you think people around the world really care about data being used? On a related note, I am sad about the state of HN comments, which resembles Reddit more and more. The blog post specifically mentions the data is private and won't be used to train models, which can't be said about the ChatGPT based tools which do this, but yet, here we have p…

I don't think the audience here cares as much about the data. I think people here (myself included) are mostly just deeply cynical about how Google will handle this product long-term. Why invest time into using it when it's going to just get yoinked in a year or two?

Isn't the solution to it -- use Google product if it's superior and won't fuck you if its abandoned? Instead of not using it because it may be abandoned, if those products instead get more users, it is less likely to be abandoned.

I mean, purely considering this product, isn't it also likely for some ChatGPT extension which provides similar feature to also be abandoned, or to have privacy or quality issues?

Re: NotebookLM: An AI Notebook

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Post by vogon_laureate »

throwaway675309 wrote: post #139
endisneigh wrote: post #98

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Shall every post for every company be spammed with irrelevant content about questionable actions conducted by said companies? Why not just submit a post about that directly and let that be the topic of discussion? Do you see how this entire thread is irrelevant to the submitted post? Do you see the problem?

If that's true, then you're only exacerbating it by attacking "said thread". Furthermore, threads raising the issue of googles seemingly erratic depredation of their products and threads discussing the product itself aren't mutually exclusive. You can do this neat thing called scroll down, and not read these threads if they bother you so much.

That's the thing I don't get. Why don't people just ignore the comments they don't like and don't want to boost? Feels like some kind of Stack Overflow-esque over-persnickety moderation syndrome.

Re: NotebookLM: An AI Notebook

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Post by throw47474777j »

endisneigh wrote: post #72

I wish the folks who clearly do not like Google would just not use their products instead of spamming every thread about how they will kill the product, true or not. —— Anyway, It’s not clear which model they’re using for this. I assume whatever Bard is using, but who knows. This is relevant because depending on the intended experience the latency will matter. Overall it’s not a bad idea, but I do wonder what the mon…

I want to like Google’s products, and used to be quite the Google evangelist, but the lack of commitment is one of several reasons I won’t invest time in them now.

Re: NotebookLM: An AI Notebook

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Post by throw47474777j »

tylerhou wrote: post #112
vogon_laureate wrote: post #108

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How is it irrelevant? If a new project/product is being hyped by a company with a well documented history of hyping then abandoning projects and products, it's objectively a relevant comment. For example, if there's a post about the new Threads app, and someone comments about Meta's record on, say... security, data privacy, moderation or support of Instagram, WhatsApp, and Facebook, or something about their failed pr…

It's not irrelevant, it's just incredibly tiring reading the same comment over and over again on every thread that remotely mentions Google launching a new product. > For example, if there's a post about the new Threads app, and someone comments about Meta's record on, say... security, data privacy OK, let's look at the Threads launch post. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36580192 . - Ctrl+F "security". Exactly…

Google could actually take note of the issue and work to improve their reputation. Then these comments would die away.

Re: NotebookLM: An AI Notebook

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Post by disgruntledphd2 »

tylerhou wrote: post #112
vogon_laureate wrote: post #108

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How is it irrelevant? If a new project/product is being hyped by a company with a well documented history of hyping then abandoning projects and products, it's objectively a relevant comment. For example, if there's a post about the new Threads app, and someone comments about Meta's record on, say... security, data privacy, moderation or support of Instagram, WhatsApp, and Facebook, or something about their failed pr…

It's not irrelevant, it's just incredibly tiring reading the same comment over and over again on every thread that remotely mentions Google launching a new product. > For example, if there's a post about the new Threads app, and someone comments about Meta's record on, say... security, data privacy OK, let's look at the Threads launch post. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36580192 . - Ctrl+F "security". Exactly…

I mean basically every time there's an article about Python, people complain about the packaging story, because it doesn't work for a lot of usecases.

Almost every Meta thread has the dumb fucks quote and/or nobody uses Facebook anymore it's gonna die soon.

This is just the way online message boards and branding work. Fundamentally Google should white label all it's new products if they want this to stop.

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